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Lunardi: Keys to NCAA Bid for UC

The Cincinnati Bearcats returned to the NCAA Tournament in 2011 for the first time since the 2005 season. For many, their return to the big dance also marked the return of a Bearcat program that had fallen on hard times after their streak of 14 consecutive trips to college basketball’s biggest stage ended in 2005.

Mick  Cronin

Cincinnati head coach Mick Cronin has his squad on the bubble for an NCAA berth.

If the Bearcats hope to continue their success and reach their second consecutive NCAA Tournament, however, they still have some work to do.

The Bearcats were a 12 seed in ESPN bracketologist Joe Lunardi’s latest bracket, which preceded their convincing road win over Saint Johns on Wednesday night.

Lunardi, who only recently moved the Bearcats inside of his main bracket as opposed to placing them in a play-in game, lists the Bearcats odds of avoiding an extra game at an even 50 percent.

Lunardi believes for the Bearcats to avoid Selection Sunday heartbreak, there are three keys.

“Most importantly for Cincinnati they need to stay above .500 in conference,” Lunardi said in an email. “They’ll also need to avoid another bad loss (Providence or South Florida) and make sure they do not lose to a lesser seed in the Big East Tournament.”

The Bearcats took care of business against St. Johns on Wednesday; one of the teams Lunardi didn’t believe they could afford a loss against. Still, games against Providence at home and South Florida on the road could prove to be difficult for a team that tends to play to the level of its opponent.

The Bearcats currently sit in an interesting position. On paper, it appears the Bearcats could have a difficult time moving certain numbers (RPI: 94, SOS: 171, Out-of-Conference SOS: 327) to a level that would look attractive to the selection committee.

Still, 20+ wins and a top-5 finish in the Big East Conference, all of which are attainable, would be tough to leave out of the NCAA Tournament. The Bearcats would make it even more difficult on the committee to leave them out by winning more than one game in the Big East Tournament.

It would also be impossible to rule out the possibility of the Bearcats securing the fourth seed in the Big East Tournament with wins over Louisville and Marquette. They currently sit in a tie for fifth place and are only 1.5 games out of second place.

As of now, the Bearcats have notched three very solid wins on their resume with road wins over Georgetown and Connecticut and a win at home against Notre Dame. They also have one awful loss on their resume in Presbyterian, albeit long ago.

As the familiar saying goes, the Bearcats have been a riddle wrapped in an enigma throughout the entire year. There was a stretch where it appeared the Bearcats had established themselves as one of the top three teams in the conference, but that was followed by a three-game losing streak that had fans scratching their heads.

Until the Bearcats find a way to begin a new streak of wins, the committee may also view them as trending down. Finishing strong is just as, if not more important than, starting fast.

The scenarios are endless for the Bearcats. As of now, it would appear as though the Bearcats are on the inside looking out, albeit with very little room for error. Looking at the field, though, one thing becomes very clear.

Of the teams currently listed as “in,” there are some interesting cases. You have Seton Hall, who has lost six consecutive games and is falling well below .500 in the big East, you have North Carolina State who is just 2-6 over teams currently in the field, and you have Arizona who has 4 losses in a Pac-10 Conference that has been nothing shy of awful.

What does all of that mean? It means that the bubble is wide open. It means that the opportunity is there. It means that should the Bearcats fail to reach the tournament in March, they’ll have only one group of individuals to blame – themselves.

Ryan Pence is Staff Writer

    • Today's update has UC up to a #11 seed. Also, according to the Nitty Gritty page, the Bearcats are the highest of the four 11-seeds which means that, at present, there are 9 at large teams that are IN the tournament but rated below the 'Cats.

      In short, UC appears to be in a bit better position than what some think and a win tomorrow (Marquette currently a 4-seed) would certainly further solidify UC's position as an at large team and that one individual loss will not be a killer.

      Things are starting to look better and better, IMO. Gotta keep it up though!

      http://espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

        Who Dey Time

      • The biggest issue here is that the highest team ever allowed in the tournament since the major changes to the RPI in 2005 has an RPI in the mid-to-low 60's. UC isn't even close to that, and without winning 22 games in the regular season their RPI won't even crack 80. That's a big red flag when you add in their SOS and their bad losses early in the season. If they finish in the top 5 of the Big East, I don't see how they can get left out. Still, I'd like them to finish strong. A loss to Providence, Seton Hall, or South Florida would be bad.

          Ryan Pence

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        • Who Dey Time said...

          Today's update has UC up to a #11 seed. Also, according to the Nitty Gritty page, the Bearcats are the highest of the four 11-seeds which means that, at present, there are 9 at large teams that are IN the tournament but rated below the 'Cats.

          In short, UC appears to be in a bit better position than what some think and a win tomorrow (Marquette currently a 4-seed) would certainly further solidify UC's position as an at large team and that one individual loss will not be a killer.

          Things are starting to look better and better, IMO. Gotta keep it up though!

          http://espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

          The problem is that the bubble is only going to get smaller as upsets happen in the conference tournament.

          As of now, UC has to pray for teams like Murray St (who are in pretty good shape to get into the tournament) not to lose in their conference tournament. The regular season Pac-12 winner winning the conference championship would also help. Things like that.

          This can definitely change. But UC has some major negatives. Since the RPI was adjusted in 2005, the lowest RPI to make the tournament from a major conference as an at large was #63. UC has a lot of work to do to get that high.

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          • Excellent Job, Ryan.

            Interesting, timely topic that was well researched and well-written.

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            • The pundits are saying that Murray State may not get in if they lose to St Mary's this weekend. Their RPI is so bad that even with 2 losses they are up against it. If they don't win the OVC Tourney, they could be cooked. They are the #7 team in the country with 31 days left and they might not get in.

                Canuckcat

              • Ryan Pence said...

                The biggest issue here is that the highest team ever allowed in the tournament since the major changes to the RPI in 2005 has an RPI in the mid-to-low 60's. UC isn't even close to that, and without winning 22 games in the regular season their RPI won't even crack 80. That's a big red flag when you add in their SOS and their bad losses early in the season. If they finish in the top 5 of the Big East, I don't see how they can get left out. Still, I'd like them to finish strong. A loss to Providence, Seton Hall, or South Florida would be bad.

                Why is rpi and SOS looked at? The SOS is factored into the rpi, no?

                UC is obviously strong with wins against top 100. Beating Marquette and Louisville would make uc hard to omit after wins at gtown, at Uconn and over notre dame.

                Beating seton hall is key to keeping them below UC by two games at least and add to lackluster seton hall stretch drive as well as head to head.

                I don't care what the rpi is....an 11-7 big east UC team should make it. But 12-6 is even harder to ignore. Just win guys. Just keep winning.

                  Bearcat10

                • Canuckcat said...

                  The pundits are saying that Murray State may not get in if they lose to St Mary's this weekend. Their RPI is so bad that even with 2 losses they are up against it. If they don't win the OVC Tourney, they could be cooked. They are the #7 team in the country with 31 days left and they might not get in.

                  I would be very disappointed if Murray State didn't get into the tournament even if they lose to St. Mary's and don't win their conference tourney.

                  Heck, I'm hoping both Creighton and Wichita State make the field.

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                  • I see no way murray st. gets left out if they only lose one more regular season game and lose in their tournament.

                    What was UC's rpi when kennedy was coaching? I cant remember what it was but i thought they were deserving based on that and sos but it came down to not enough wins.

                    There are alot of teams that are going to slide in the coming weeks and they will open up spots. Maybe this year is the year an 80 rpi gets in because they should and the rpi is exposed. UC just needs to win games.

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                    • 22-9 and UC can sleep through the selection show if they want because it won't be an issue.

                      If they go 21-10 and lose in the first round of the Big East Tournament I'd be very worried. I think they'll need one win there.

                      20-11 and they're going to need to win 2 games in the Tournament most likely.

                      I think it pretty much comes down to that.

                        Ryan Pence

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                      • RPI FORECAST by FINAL RECORD
                        Here is the RPI forecast broken down by final record along with the probability of the final record:

                        Final Record Expected RPI Probability
                        24-7 47.9 0.70%
                        23-8 57.8 6.80%
                        22-9 69.4 20.26%
                        21-10 81.7 29.86%
                        20-11 94.2 26.10%
                        19-12 105.9 12.95%
                        18-13 118.0 3.03%
                        17-14 130.4 0.29%

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                        • When the RPI doesn't matter: I lead with this category every Selection Sunday, and it never disappoints. What you need to know is that no BCS-affiliated school with a top 55 RPI was omitted last season, but six non-BCS-affiliated schools with top 55 RPIs were left out -- specifically Harvard (35), Cleveland State (42), Missouri State (43), St. Mary's (46), Colorado State (50) and Marshall (54). That means the three best RPIs omitted from the field belonged to non-BCS affiliated schools for the seventh consecutive season, which once again shows that a good RPI can save you if you're from a POWER league, but it won't help much if you're not.
                          (Here's the rundown from the past seven years)
                          Top three RPIs left out of the NCAA tournament
                          2011: Harvard (35), Cleveland State (42), Missouri State (43)

                          2010: Rhode Island (40), Wichita State (43), UAB (45)

                          2009: San Diego State (34), Creighton (40), UAB (46)

                          2008: Dayton (32), Illinois State (33), UMass (42)

                          2007: Air Force (30), Missouri State (36), Bradley (38)

                          2006: Missouri State (21), Hofstra (30), Creighton (39)

                          2005: Miami-Ohio (39), Wichita State (45), Buffalo (46)

                          RPI is NOT as important in a BCS league cause of how many top teams you play inside your league its a factor but its 20 pts either way.

                          Marquette 14 losses and 64rpi and USC 14 losses and 67 RPI made tourney last yr, 2yrs ago Minnesota with a 64 made it, before expansion Uconn, UC, and Illinois all mid 60's would have been next 3 to make it.

                          This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Cats1969 on 2/10/2012 at 5:52 PM

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                          • If UC can win the rest of the home games they'll be a lock for the NCAA Tournament and the rest of the games, the road games and Big East Tournament games would be for seeding.

                              CatsClaw

                            • CatsClaw said...

                              If UC can win the rest of the home games they'll be a lock for the NCAA Tournament and the rest of the games, the road games and Big East Tournament games would be for seeding.

                              They can't lose to USF on the road after giving up 95 to Marquette. That game shouldn't have hurt them, but it did. They played awful and everyone was watching.

                              This post was edited by Ryan Pence on 2/13/2012 at 4:04 PM

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                            • Actually it didnt hurt at all in the computers, and they didnt play awful. Marquette is a top 15 team that was hot. S Fla is 12-1(Uconn 60-57 at buzzer).. at home. Not sure where and why you would think the game "hurt " them. If UC wins the 4 home games that is 11-7 and 5 wins vs top 25 rpi. its over. But not saying beating S Fla wouldnt help but its in no way a must win or out of tourney. S Fla is15-10 and 8-4 in BE they are not Depaul. If you gave me a choice of only winning 1 of the 3 games vs UL Marq or S Fla I certainly would not take S Fla......I would take UL..

                              Always remember the Committee wants to see who you beat, who you have the ability to beat.....and where you beat them...

                              The committee knows bubble teams lose.....thats obvious........just win 4 games no matter who and its a lock 11-7 is 100% with the big east and bids the last 5 yrs. 11-7 also would be 5 or 6 seed in NYC......

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                              • Cats1969 said...

                                Always remember the Committee wants to see who you beat, who you have the ability to beat.....and where you beat them...

                                thats what jay bilas says they should look at, and we hope they look at...unfortunately, bilas doesn't oversee the committee and i think they weigh the "body of work" barometer moreso than the "who are you capable of beating" barometer. unfortunately, uc's body of work is far from overwhelming or convincing.

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                                • dp3113 said...

                                  thats what jay bilas says they should look at, and we hope they look at...unfortunately, bilas doesn't oversee the committee and i think they weigh the "body of work" barometer moreso than the "who are you capable of beating" barometer. unfortunately, uc's body of work is far from overwhelming or convincing.

                                  This.

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                                  • If they win the four at home, they are in but it would really help to split the road games because UC has not been great athome and ul and marquette and even seton hall are tough teams. Four wins does it but if they include ul and marquette, then it is a very solid 11-7 record.

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