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2012 Hot Board- Head Coaches

  • mptnstr@44 said...

    No one knows if he would come here but because he is available it is a call that should be made.

    Tressel is currently at U of Akron to stay in the OPERS system for pension purposes.
    If he were to become HC at UC he would be able to stay in OPERS.
    If he leaves leave the OH public college system to coach, he would not accrue any more service years in OPERS.

    It is an advantage UC offers that few other schools do.

    Cool. I didnt realize his pension situation. There is anote coach in Ohio in the same boat. I like hom a lot too.

    Bcat

  • I'll take Campbell from Toledo or Taggart from WKU. Both are young up and comers who are more exciting to me then the rest.

    TRD

  • Pete Lembo would be best choice out of this group.

    BuckeyeWarrior

  • I tell you what, tressel or petrino would sell tickets. If our goal is to upgrade nippert in the next 5 years, selling tickets now for a dog and pony show for a few would be much more valuable than a hot commodity young coach. we can go that route after the next hire.

    08bearcat

  • TRD said...

    I'll take Campbell from Toledo or Taggart from WKU. Both are young up and comers who are more exciting to me then the rest.

    In my opinion both are too young and too much of a gamble. They seem like good coaches and would be cheap allowing a ton of room for pay increases but i also think they would also both be highly pursued with any success and we know how that goes. UC needs to look in the mirror and realize they must stabilize the coaching situation and make the upgrades happen. They have a great chance to be in a stable conference when it matters but now is the time to show they will do what it takes. They need a coach they can count on to stick around.

    Bcat

  • 08bearcat said...

    I tell you what, tressel or petrino would sell tickets. If our goal is to upgrade nippert in the next 5 years, selling tickets now for a dog and pony show for a few would be much more valuable than a hot commodity young coach. we can go that route after the next hire.

    I absolutely support this way of thinking. As well as getting into a bigger conference.

    aves2806

  • From the 10:00 A.M. presser...

    "Character and Confidence"

    That removes or hinders a couple of the coaches being mentioned as candidates.

    This post was edited by ucisme on 12/7/2012 at 9:29 AM

    ucisme

  • I'm in the Executive Search business and I can tell you transition conversations go on every hour of every day. In fact, prudent, intelligent, intuitive people should always be looking at putting another brick in their wall and assessing their own personal ROI. There is absolutely no downside to a conversation. You want to get ahead in life ? - you gotta learn, leverage, transition. You owe it to yourself and your family. Surprisingly, very few folks do this, yet they envy the guy who does.

    Kelly started talking to Swarbrick about a year before he left. Swarbrick was already working on the contingency that he would have to fire Weiss. This was all done covertly through Kelly's agent and at mutually agreed neutral sites. I suspect that Butch's agent, Trace Armstrong, was talking with multiple schools as it was clear they would be making changes at season's end. CO, TN, AR, CAL, AUB, were obvious ones. Same M.O. - covertly and at neutral obscure sites. When Armstrong had sold his client ( Jones ) into the running for each, he waited to get the season over and get Jones on the interview trail. Unfortunately in today's instanteous media world, this was hard to conceal, but it could have been done a ton better. Armstrong wanted TN to know that Butch was in demand, cause that was the Holy Grail. That was the job they both wanted. The other's were just fluffer.

    I suspect that Whit was fully aware of this....especially the day that RU left to the B10 and UL to the ACC. It had to have hit Whit right between the eyes ( or between his legs ) . There had to be zero doubt that Jones was going to pursue an open job. This was not rocket science. ( In fact Whit himself was / is probably thinking , maybe I should get off this slow boat to nowhere. )

    Having said that, I suspect that Whit has a short list. I suspect that UC's Search firm has already vetted them. I suspect that Whit has already interviewed the contenders. It was reported that Whit was at the BE meetings all last week. I say, thats horsemanure. He was interviewing Jones replacements.

    The fact that Jones dicked around exiting actually gave Whit and the administration more time to get their heads around the candidates and our programs directional needs. I hope and trust that they've used that time wisely.

    I've said all along and I'll said it again. Yes, our stadium needs upgrading, but it's not about that. It's about our conference future. A top 100 institution with a $ 1B endowment, 4 top 25 colleges in it, 43,000 students, and we can't get in a BCS-level conference ? Are you kidding me ? WTF ? Unfortunately, this is a result of an accrual of 40 years of ambivalent and neglectful administrators who held jobs as BOT, but had zero LT vision.

    As Mark Twain was famously quoted ( and I paraphrase ) , " Cincinnati has no sense of reality. It's the perfect place to be when the world's end is coming cause no one there would know it. "

    That old man was pretty damn wise back in 1880. Seems like nothing's changed. Cause no one here wants to change it. Shame

    Canuckcat

  • ucisme said...

    From the 10:00 A.M. presser...

    "Character and Confidence"

    That removes or hinders a couple of the coaches being mentioned as candidates.

    Does have that ring to it.

    Hey look on the bright side, we get Lembo or someone like that and it will still be really easy to get any seat you want in the stadium.

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  • Bcat said...

    Cool. I didnt realize his pension situation. There is anote coach in Ohio in the same boat. I like hom a lot too.

    Hire Lembo as Coach and Tressel as advisor. Tressel cant take the sideline for a few years anyway, but having him on staff and in the community and behind the scenes selling UC FB would be a boon. That would be a great one-two punch. respected by all and a youthful energized recruiter. Lembo and Tressel would be a great combination.

    Canuckcat

  • Canuckcat said...

    I'm in the Executive Search business and I can tell you transition conversations go on every hour of every day. In fact, prudent, intelligent, intuitive people should always be looking at putting another brick in their wall and assessing their own personal ROI. There is absolutely no downside to a conversation. You want to get ahead in life ? - you gotta learn, leverage, transition. You owe it to yourself and your family. Surprisingly, very few folks do this, yet they envy the guy who does.

    Kelly started talking to Swarbrick about a year before he left. Swarbrick was already working on the contingency that he would have to fire Weiss. This was all done covertly through Kelly's agent and at mutually agreed neutral sites. I suspect that Butch's agent, Trace Armstrong, was talking with multiple schools as it was clear they would be making change s at season's end. CO, TN, AR, CAL, AUB, were obvious ones. Same M.O. - covertly and at neutral obscure sites. When Armstrong had sold his client ( Jones ) into the running for each, he waited to get the season over and get Jones on the interview trail. Unfortunately in today's instanteous media world, this was hard to conceal, but it could have been done a ton better. Armstrong wanted TN to know that Butch was in demand, cause that was the Holy Grail. That was the job they both wanted. The other's were just fluffer.

    I suspect that Whit was fully aware of this....especially the day that RU left to the B10 and UL to the ACC. It had to have hit Whit right between the eyes ( or between his legs ) . There had to be zero doubt that Jones was going to pursue an open job. This was not rocket science. ( In fact Whit himself was / is probably thinking , maybe I should get off this slow boat to nowhere. )

    Having said that, I suspect that Whit has a short list. I suspect that UC's Search firm has already vetted them. I suspect that Whit has already interviewed the contenders. It was reported that Whit was at the BE meetings all last week. I say, thats horsemanure. He was interviewing Jones replacements.

    The fact that Jones dicked around exiting actually gave Whit and the administration more time to get their heads around the candidates and our programs directional needs. I hope and trust that they've used that time wisely.

    I've said all along and I'll said it again. Yes, our stadium needs upgrading, but it's not about that. It's about our conference future. A top 100 institution with a $ 1B endowment, 4 top 25 colleges in it, 43,000 students, and we can't get in a BCS-level conference ? Are you kidding me ? WTF ? Unfortunately, this is a result of an accrual of 40 years of ambivalent and neglectful administrators who held jobs as BOT, but had zero LT vision.

    As Mark Twain was famously quoted ( and I paraphrase ) , " Cincinnati has no sense of reality. It's the perfect place to be when the world's end is coming cause no one there would know it. "

    That old man was pretty damn wise back in 1880. Seems like nothing's changed. Cause no one here wants to change it. Shame

    Well said. I'm going to buy tickets to the Belk Bowl, though I don't believe I will be able to attend. That said, this coaching hire is HUGE. It has to have the right mix of forward thinking, and sex appeal. I'm not sure what it is about Cincinnati fans and I won't use "fair weather' because I think thats too easy...I think it's something a bit deeper, but whatever it is, we do rally around a winner. Above all else we must hire a WINNER. In every sense of the word.

    aves2806

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    Canuckcat

  • Canuck, I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist and your comment "Unfortunately, this is a result of an accrual of 40 years of ambivalent and neglectful administrators who held jobs as BOT, but had zero LT vision" is interesting to me. I've never lived in Ohio and don't know the politics, but could there be a tacit protection of tOSU by the BOT going on here?

    Riskfactor

  • Riskfactor said...

    Canuck, I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist and your comment "Unfortunately, this is a result of an accrual of 40 years of ambivalent and neglectful administrators who held jobs as BOT, but had zero LT vision" is interesting to me. I've never lived in Ohio and don't know the politics, but could there be a tacit protection of tOSU by the BOT going on here?

    The chair of the BOT is a former bearcat. You can't get more dyed in the wool than that.

    08bearcat

  • ucisme said...

    From the 10:00 A.M. presser...

    "Character and Confidence"

    That removes or hinders a couple of the coaches being mentioned as candidates.

    "Character and Competence" was what Whit said.

    dabecker

  • dabecker said...

    "Character and Competence" was what Whit said.

    Petrino is a character and very competent.

    bearcat69

  • dabecker said...

    "Character and Competence" was what Whit said.

    Yep this would eliminate Tressel and Petrino.

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    Todd Cunningham

  • Riskfactor said...

    Canuck, I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist and your comment "Unfortunately, this is a result of an accrual of 40 years of ambivalent and neglectful administrators who held jobs as BOT, but had zero LT vision" is interesting to me. I've never lived in Ohio and don't know the politics, but could there be a tacit protection of Columbus $tate by the BOT going on here?

    Fixed it for you ^^. Dont ever give them the little "t". O$U is acceptable as well.

    BinturongLax

  • Does it really matter, in regards to long term retention, if the coach has big time experience or has coach at a MAC school? The reason we are stepping stone is because of our facilities, fan base and conference affliation.
    Change those and the odds of retaining a coach go way up.

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  • Canuckcat said...

    Hire Lembo as Coach and Tressel as advisor. Tressel cant take the sideline for a few years anyway, but having him on staff and in the community and behind the scenes selling UC FB would be a boon. That would be a great one-two punch. respected by all and a youthful energized recruiter. Lembo and Tressel would be a great combination.

    Tressel can coach after a 5 game suspension...

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  • Todd Cunningham said...

    Yep this would eliminate Tressel and Petrino.

    And likely Coombs.

    mptnstr4498571

  • Chad Brendel said...

    Tressel can coach after a 5 game suspension...

    He may be eliminated, but wouldn't Tressell to UC be like Petino to UofL? That's worked out well.

    08bearcat

  • mptnstr@44 said...

    And likely Coombs.

    Why? Serious question.

    I just hope Whit has the stones to get the right guy even if it looks like a stretch. Take some heat and let the actions speak for te decision. This is a huge hire for Whit.

    Bcat

  • Bcat said...

    Why? Serious question.

    I just hope Whit has the stones to get the right guy even if it looks like a stretch. Take some heat and let the actions speak for te decision. This is a huge hire for Whit.

    competence.
    no OC or DC experience much less HC at the college level = not qualified.

    This post was edited by mptnstr4498571 on 12/7/2012 at 10:28 AM

    mptnstr4498571