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Riskfactor said...
Canuck, I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist and your comment "Unfortunately, this is a result of an accrual of 40 years of ambivalent and neglectful administrators who held jobs as BOT, but had zero LT vision" is interesting to me. I've never lived in Ohio and don't know the politics, but could there be a tacit protection of tOSU by the BOT going on here?
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Canuckcat said...
I'm in the Executive Search business and I can tell you transition conversations go on every hour of every day. In fact, prudent, intelligent, intuitive people should always be looking at putting another brick in their wall and assessing their own personal ROI. There is absolutely no downside to a conversation. You want to get ahead in life ? - you gotta learn, leverage, transition. You owe it to yourself and your family. Surprisingly, very few folks do this, yet they envy the guy who does.
Kelly started talking to Swarbrick about a year before he left. Swarbrick was already working on the contingency that he would have to fire Weiss. This was all done covertly through Kelly's agent and at mutually agreed neutral sites. I suspect that Butch's agent, Trace Armstrong, was talking with multiple schools as it was clear they would be making changes at season's end. CO, TN, AR, CAL, AUB, were obvious ones. Same M.O. - covertly and at neutral obscure sites. When Armstrong had sold his client ( Jones ) into the running for each, he waited to get the season over and get Jones on the interview trail. Unfortunately in today's instanteous media world, this was hard to conceal, but it could have been done a ton better. Armstrong wanted TN to know that Butch was in demand, cause that was the Holy Grail. That was the job they both wanted. The other's were just fluffer.
I suspect that Whit was fully aware of this....especially the day that RU left to the B10 and UL to the ACC. It had to have hit Whit right between the eyes ( or between his legs ) . There had to be zero doubt that Jones was going to pursue an open job. This was not rocket science. ( In fact Whit himself was / is probably thinking , maybe I should get off this slow boat to nowhere. )
Having said that, I suspect that Whit has a short list. I suspect that UC's Search firm has already vetted them. I suspect that Whit has already interviewed the contenders. It was reported that Whit was at the BE meetings all last week. I say, thats horsemanure. He was interviewing Jones replacements.
The fact that Jones dicked around exiting actually gave Whit and the administration more time to get their heads around the candidates and our programs directional needs. I hope and trust that they've used that time wisely.
I've said all along and I'll said it again. Yes, our stadium needs upgrading, but it's not about that. It's about our conference future. A top 100 institution with a $ 1B endowment, 4 top 25 colleges in it, 43,000 students, and we can't get in a BCS-level conference ? Are you kidding me ? WTF ? Unfortunately, this is a result of an accrual of 40 years of ambivalent and neglectful administrators who held jobs as BOT, but had zero LT vision.
As Mark Twain was famously quoted ( and I paraphrase ) , " Cincinnati has no sense of reality. It's the perfect place to be when the world's end is coming cause no one there would know it. "
That old man was pretty damn wise back in 1880. Seems like nothing's changed. Cause no one here wants to change it. Shame
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Bcat75 said...
We haven't lived there for years, but to this day we see that Cincinnati has to be the most unique largish city in the country. Where else do you have 7 or more generations who've lived almost always in the same neighborhoods, treat their high school football programs like BCS ones (and expect them to win like the SEC), and have a perceived 'safety school' of a university they can rely on?
Even our so-called UC grad of a Enquirer reporter, Koch, seems to work so overtime to be 'impartial' that he sounds negative. Did he an Urban graduate together?? The TV media rarely mentions UC, yet they'll do weather forecasts for the high school games and the Bengals. I recently asked someone why that is, and the response was that their station couldn't be seen as only there for UC... WTF? Guess the pressure to not solely prognosticate even the weather mentioning the UC football games that came from grads of to$u, uk, eggzaviers and so forth was too great. Just bein' fair. Puh-leeeeeeze.
As ham handed as NZ was as a president, the one thing she did see was the outside world, what UC already was very quietly offering that world, yet not 'marketing' at all [DAAP, CCM, Medical, et al], the beautiful Forbes-rated campus. She was trying to bring UC into the 20th century yet the resistance that 'hey, we've always done it this way. we're fine' was, and I expect is still, there.
I cannot say for sure that the BOT doesn't care, but we're certainly NOT seeing them as a proactive body. It makes no sense to us personally that the Foundation can raise $1B in the PC campaign, yet they can't carve out a progressive, helpful plan to assist Athletics. Maybe they are. They could designate money to help Athletics get out of the morass and then start a PC Pt 2 campaign that would help replace those funds. After all, isn't that campaign also about the facilities?
We have to be one of the few major universities in the country that isn't Ivy League whose focus on Academics triumphs everything. Everything. Wake up, boys and girls: today's student equates a good school with its teams' success. Yeah, many are looking at academics [and we get a lot more quality students these days, both due to raised expectations of applicants and promotion]. But those commercials that are seen on the sports channels put UC as a choice in those kids' minds as well. WE know that UC>UL but their facilities and success in sports makes the conference decision makers perceive that UL>UC. They truly don't care all that much about academia. They just give a nod to it with their requirements for grades [now, after pressure], and the Academic All American awards, probably as political as the Heisman...
That's a fwiw. We're talking about trying to awaken a sleeping giant here, folks. The land around Cincinnati was carved out of a glacier, and that glacier right now seemingly resides at UC. Let's hope we can keep Whit and that he finds us a great coach who's more about coaching and truly loving UC, not just throwing around slogans.
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Carey Hoffman said...
Whit said in his press conference this morning, "Nothing destroys leadership more than poor character."
Petrino is DOA in this search. I would think it hurts Tressel, too, but as I've said before, I think of Tressel as something of a "Teflon Don" when it comes to his reputation vs. his record of transgressions. The same way a lot of UC fans stubbornly defended Huggs as his troubles mounted is how the entire state of Ohio seems to feel about Tressel.
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Canuckcat said...
Great addition to my post '75. Thanks. You're dead right.
The ironic thing is that once you leave Cincinnati you see all this crystal clearly. It's part of what's endearing and special about Cincinnati, but at the same time, what's so maddening about it. The place is caught in a time warp.
When I come back on business ( or to visit personally ) I feel like I'm in the move "The Stepford Wives " Everything is as-it-was and quaint and predictable and conservative. It's almost robotic. You still have 50 year olds wearing their HS letter jackets proudly out to Frisch's or LaRosa's or Skyline. You have people stereotypically judging you by what HS you went to. You may have graduated from Oxford or Harvard, but who gives a shit.....what HS did you go to ?
It'd be comical if it wasn't so maddening and it so negatively afflicted my beloved U.
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RPHGUY said...
While we are debating who we want as HC I hope everybody supports the UC football team by going to the Belk Bowl! The team needs our support, the University needs our support and whomever we hire needs to know that as fans we are Proudly Cincinnati.
If we do not show it wil only hurt our future of moving to another FB conference.
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