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Beat two of your programs in their own backyards
10 win season for 5th time in 6 years. Btw, Rutgers, now of B1g fame, just tonight kept its ten win seasons number in tact at 2 in its entire history!
Football has been ranked in top 25 4 of last 5 years and should make it 5 in last 6.
Play exciting brand of football
Had at least 10k travel to bowl game.....consistently showing very strong bowl travel
Top 10 basketball team currently although will drop this week
Top ten historical basketball program with national championships
Number 34 tv market, with Dayton just outside of this market. Good college football and basketball tv ratings. Entry into state of Ohio. Good research university with a better academic rep than most give UC credit for including us news.
UC is committed to competing at highest level.....and has done so with limited resources much better than most other colleges.
Really outside of some sports nobody cares about including tv, what is not to like about UC and the value they add?
That's right! Conferences should be happy that we are still available and should be scrambling to get to us first. One thing I think you didn't mention was that the fan base is still in it's infancy and is poised to be a giant if the right tectonic plates move right. ACC, Big 12, any major conference should really like what UC has to offer.
They "need" another school to leave before they invite us. Clearly the ACC doesn't think they need to add UC right now. There isn't anything UC can do now besides wait for the inevitable. The ACC's ignorance might lead to an implosion, with teams leaving for the B1G, SEC, and Big12. In the end it might be BETTER for UC to not be "chosen" yet. UC is in the best possible situation they have ever been in terms of being a conference realignment candidate.
Lets all just sit back and watch the dominos fall.
True ACC should have invited UC and UCONN when they grabbed UL. 16 team football 17 team BB with ND. Big 12 will take two ACC teams as a one loss conf. champ will not finish top 4 at 11-1. WSJ reported B10 wanting two more ACC teams which will lead to SEC taking two. Pac 12 I could see taking four B12 schools if they can get TX, TT, OSU, OU. If not they may consider BYU and some MWC schools to become a 16 team conf.
Just can't get past the notion that some conference doesn't want to invade Big 10 territory. The ACC was stupid if they thought U of L accomplished that.
I think the only thing the ACC would need outside of guaranteed stadium improvements is urgency. If there was something that Leaked about the big 12 Showing interest in Cincinnati I think it may force the ACCs hand. Right now I think they feel that they can just wait to take us when they want.
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I'm not holding out hope at this point for anything happening in the short-term. We have to make lemonade out of lemons and find a best of the rest conference for the next few years. The key will be recruiting and whether we can continue to recruit talent into a conference which will be continually attacked by ESPN at every level as mid-major. We need to continue to win. Can we do that? I hope so.
On accentuating your point Perdrim..A writer on the ESPN insider had the opinion that it wasn't a reach to consider that the B1G would aggressively protect their turf by inviting UC.
This is with the consideration that despite a strong pushback from OSU, the overwhelming majority of conference schools could pressure them into accepting in favor of protecting It's Television market, which as of this moment has no competitive challengers. An invasion by the ACC, or B12 would compromise advertising dollars in the region by virtue of wanting to spread demographics into the Southwest, and or the Southern Seaboard....Well said "BLACK HELMET"...Not to be confused with his cousin "RED HELMS"
Sometimes you just need to clear your head!
Also, I would imagine it irritates some of the other Big10 schools that they have in state rivals to deal with while OSU does not.
I've wondered about that myself. I would have to think that Michigan would like to see tOSU deal with another serious rival. As the ancient Chinese proverb goes, " he who is an enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Can someone please point me to where anyone from OSU has ever stated they would fight to keep UC out of the Big 10? I hear this all the time but I don't remember ever seeing a quote from anyone associated with OSU that this is the case.
Maybe it hasn't been said publicly, but it seems pretty obvious that would be case. They don't wont in-state rivalries or competition for recruiting and being the top dog in Ohio.
The idea of the B10 inviting us is as big a reach as you'll find, which is saying something these days. God knows what hallucinogens this writer was on. :)
As was stated, all we can do is build up this program to the best of our ability, which means renovating Nippert and increasing fan support and revenues, and wait and hope for something which is out of our control to break in our favor. And there's no guarantee that it even will, but that's our only hope.
I'm sure OSU would fight to keep us out of the B10, but they won't have to. The B10 will need a much more tempting target than us to act.
It's one of those things that go without saying. They have cancelled games down here in Cincinnati so that they don't have to play us and they have done everything they could to stop us from growing too powerful. They renamed themselves THE Ohio State University for crying out loud, they clearly don't want any other Ohio school to become a power. I remember when UC was invited to the Big East and hired Mark Dantonio Jim Tressel himself started coming down here to stop UC recruiting by recruiting players themselves. Ohio State will do everything possible to stop us from getting into the Big Ten, of course if for some reason the Big Ten wanted us they may not have the juice to stop us, but still. It's just amazing that the ACC and Big 12 haven't jumped on this market, even the SEC showed interest in us, even if it was just fleeting.
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The B1G isn't inviting anyone who is not an AAU member. OSU's opposition, real or imagined, is moot unless we gain admission to the AAU.
GO BEARCATS!! FIGHT!!! FIGHT!!!! FIGHT!!!!!
I know this has been stated various times, but how close are we to attaining AAU membership. Is it kind of like the whole conference realignment thing where we are next in line?
I've maintained the biggest obstacle for UC gaining a B10 invite is actually every other team but OSU. Schools like Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana and Purdue can't fill an 85 man roster with the talent in their home state. The only advantage they had in recruiting the past 7 years over UC was they could sell playin in the B10. Add a UC and suddenly those schools would not be able to pick up as many 4 and 3 star recruits who got left over by OSU, Michigan and PSU.
*Michigan State also recruits many Ohio products.
hopefully soon those players will have an ACC or big12 option in the state of Ohio and not even play in the b1g
I often question whether people truly understand our market.
We are located in Ohio, set with 11 million people who for the most part watch college football on a level not typical for this part of the country. For some reason, I have seen many people on the ACC/B12 boards not grasp the concept that even though OSU is the king of this state, there are millions of people located in the borders that would watch UC play a game against the better teams in those conferences. I have seen the ratings play this out over the last 4-5 years.
As we all know, we extend into Kentucky and Indiana. We do garner television sets down into Lexington, Louisville and up into Indianapolis.
People don't get it. For us to draw the ratings we do* somebody has to be watching us.
* see the Belk Bowl ratings, the ratings this year vs. Pitt, Louisville, Rutgers and UConn.
I am one who wants nothing to do with the Big Ten...although their money is enticing.
If we were in the Big Ten we would almost always be considered the little brother of Ohio State. When people think of the Big Ten they think of Ohio State and it will be hard for that to ever change. Additionally, I don't like when people try to make this a UC vs. Ohio State competition. It should not be about us out doing Ohio State, it should be about UC blazing its own path and being known seperately from Ohio State. If we were to ever go to the Big Ten we would always be linked to Ohio State. Much like A&M was always linked to UT. A&M made a very smart move to go to the SEC because it moved their name brand recognition beyond being linked to UT and UT is fealing that pain now. So much of the talk at A&M before was about beating UT...which is dumb because it gave UT so much recognition. With A&M in the SEC they have now said we don't care about UT we only care about competing at the highest national level.
For those that really care about our comparison to Ohio State we would do much more damage to Ohio State by going to the ACC or Big 12 and being a top team in those leagues rather than standing side by side with Ohio State in the Big Ten. We are very different Universities and we want to offer our student ahletes and students a different experience than Ohio State. We should say that we want to compete on the highest national level and we could careless what Ohio State is doing.
I am currently watching the Lville and Kentucky basketball game and it is sad though that Ohio State will not do a yearly basketball match up with us. It's a loss to the fans and the players.
No one at OSU would ever publicly make such a statement. What possible good would come from it?
Why would they create a controversy when they don't need to.
I think UC would oppose playing in the same league as Xavier for basketball, but UC officials would never publicly make that statement.
I might also think my wife needs to lose weight, but I'd never publicly say that either.
The fact that OSU feels the need to use "the" before its name should tell a person everything he needs to know on the topic.
OSU sees the Buckeye State as its state. They wouldn't be interested in giving another Ohio school even footing by including them in the Big 10.
As others have noted, the scheduling issues further confirm their stance.
Uh oh, isn't this site public Tim?
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