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If you actually scroll to the end, the responses to the article are interesting. Cincinnati mentioned numerous times but more in reference to the ACC. Clearly nothing will happen further until the MD lawsuit is resolved.
Question is who will be left in ACC when/if UC ever gets an invite.
One of those wvu blogger/twits had b1g voting on 2-6 members in April and espn guy talking about b1g looking at 9 or 10 game conf slates.
The dude has big12 wish list of fsu, Miami, Clemson, ga tech, va tech, and Louisville.
Is best hope b1g raid being 6, sec taking 4 (va tech, nc state and who else??)
I'd like to see big12 need UC as a replacement but for some reason they don't value UC although when you talk TV (and that's really where money is) I still don't see how Louisville is much different than UC....hell Louisville to me is closer to an ECU....not as big TV, good crowds, and KY isn't even that big a state so limited growth potential.
Whit and Santa need to be the pesky door to door salesman knocking on the SEC door selling expansion into the well populated state of Ohio.
Unfortunately I'm hoping to be surprised but just not optimistic on this. Here's the best (worst really) part of wv guys posts....dodds on way out at Texas. Ollie Luck as replacement. Whit Babcock as their logical successor. Guess if that happens maybe we do garner two big12 support votes....maybe that is best case scenario after all.
Of course take all wv talk with big grain of salt but the problem is the ACC really did make their own bed and failed to learn the lessons of the big east they stuck dagger in.
Lastly am I missing his posts or did msmoose fall off face of the earth....or at least this message board.
As someone who lives in ACC country, ill give my two cents worth on the ACC teams bolting. GT, VT, and to a lesser degree Miami have little interest in the Big12, in fact i would say that VT and GT have no interest in it. Clemson is not as valuable as everyone seems to believe despite having a good football program. If you are poaching from another BCS conference and have choices, you arent taking a school with no national fanbase and no valuable tv footprint to speak of. Clemson themselves are the ones tying themselves to FSU if the Seminoles bolt. In terms of the whole conference shattering into pieces, i think it would take the NC schools breaking apart. As long as UNC Duke and NC State stick together the conference will not shatter. If UNC goes to the B1G then we could see a free for all but losing GT or FSU will not cause ACC armageddon despite people blogging it.
The most likely scenario to me is still UVA and GT to the B1G, the rest of the conference stays in tact and add UC and UConn. Basketball and football both get stronger
This post was edited by eerodynamic 14 months ago
I would guess UC might be on the SEC expansion list but certainly nowhere near the top. No amount of begging by Whit or Ono will change that. The SEC can poach any conference they want for new members and would likely stay more southern first inviting a school from NC, VA, or OK before UC.
Although it is a nice dream...
Good question about Moose, Greg. :) In his defense he did lay out the scenario, with nothing supposedly to happen till the Md lawsuits are resolved, so nothing has happened. On the other hand, his posts may disappear as mysteriously as they appeared.
These posts show how hard it is not to talk about realignment even with nothing going on. It's that important and the possibilities so vast, even though for us it seems to be just a matter of what happens to the ACC: needing movement, but not too much.
Re Louisville, not every team has been added for market size reasons. Nebraska and WVU were taken more for their brand names and devoted fan bases. Teams with brands can be marketed to national tv audiences and add to the competitiveness and prestige of a conference. UL has several things in their favor: a huge budget, enabling them to have top notch facilities and pay a coach top scale compensation, which means they can be competitive at the highest level; they have a large fb stadium with room to further expand and a huge palace in bb, both of which they fill, which reflects favorably on any conference they're in; their national brand is built on both huge success in bb and having won three BCS bowls (counting their drubbing of Alabama in the Fiesta in the 90s); they're well located geographically for 3 conferences and unlike ECU, have a major airport making them accessible; while academics have been a weakness in the past, they've made considerable improvement there as well.
Some have accused me of being a UL lover, which I've vehemently denied. I just see reality, and as our only real rival I've naturally used them as a barometer for us and hoped we could keep pace with them, as well as continue the relshp. And the idea of them leaving us in the dust is really hard for me to live with. Let's hope it doesn't happen.
UC has more of a nationally recognized brand than UL - just one man's opinion.
I don't say this towards WVU fans since most of my interactions with them have been positive.
I remember they were the one school (for the most part) that actually made Cincy feel welcome in the league when we came into the Big East.
So if any wondering Hoopies come by... this isn't aimed at you.
For Luck to be complaining that the Big 12 isn't doing what they said they would do is comical.
This from the guy who was willing to sell his soul, lie and break every rule and contract to further his agenda.
As to UC- I agree we probably aren't first on the Big 12's list... but if they can't pry out FSU and/or Clemson we could be next.
This could play well for Cincinnati either way... if the Big 12 gets FSU and/or Clemson it can open a slot or two in the ACC.
UC and schools like BYU or even Louisville come into play for Big 12.
Though Louisville now has a financial drawback.... they will have to pay the ACC exit fee.
(whatever that ends up being.... while I doubt it will be $50-million after the Maryland lawsuit plays out... it could still be hefty)
My guess is WVU would be an advocate for Cincy to the Big 12 even if it is for selfish/travel type reasons.
This post was edited by Eric Waddell 14 months ago
It's all about timing, nothing is going to happen until the Maryland suit gets wrapped up (which, btw, would actually agree with Moose), after all the schools need certainty to be able to plan.
We may be here, nBE, whatever you want to call it, for a few more years at least. Minimum 2 I would think at this point, unless a conference takes 2 of the three from UC, UConn and USF, as the BE could then effectively dissolve with 2 of the three FB schools voting for dissolution along with the C7.
As much as I want this show to get a move on, things have to happen before the ball gets rolling on additional realignment, and I have to be something I'm not good at....patient.
Moose said the MD court date was 2/21, and things would happen thereafter. Got 9 days to sit still and wait.
Sure hope something big happens fast. We need to get some wind under our wings and launch some major ticket marketing et al, and the clock is ticking.
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