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Bigger than the Bengals and my newly adopted Seahawks this weekend is the news of a likely 2013 Kelly-lead Browns. That will shake up the division.
Would be interesting to hear Cleveland area fans.
High risk - high reward. Lots of roster issues. Here is good commentary.
You can follow the news here,
I don't know much about Chip Kelly so I have to ask.
Has he always wanted to go to the NFL or is he interested because the NCAA is sniffing around Oregon?
Browns will continue to fail until they decide to give a coach more than 2-3 years to right the ship. Look at the Bengals, MB has given Marvin Lewis enough time to right the ship and they have progressed very nicely over his tenure.
Talking to Cleveland friends; a lot think Kelly will be more of a Saban/Spurrier/Petrino and not a Carroll or Harbough.
As a small bengals fan but mainly a Cleveland hater, I hope he goes to the Browns and fails like the past 3 coaches :)
Change in ownership of Browns is likely to make a difference.
The ownership change is huge. When Al Lerner died his son Randy inherited something he was really not interested in. The new owner, Haslam, has a passion for the job as owner and has a lifetime record of success. IMO his challenge is patience. There are a lot of good young players on the team.
I note Haslam is from Knoxville and a big UT fan.
This post was edited by Bcatbob 15 months ago
The Browns have made too many changes at all the leadership positions (head coach, GM and president), but the new owner appears to understand that.
I really hated the hiring of Mike Holmgren. He left Seattle in a mess.
I'm trusting Jimmy Haslem and Joe Banner to make a good hire, and I've heard Haslem knows he will need to give the new coach time to succeed and won't make a change for at least five years.
Fans everywhere are too impatient. That's why we continue to see coaches getting fired after one, two or three years. I think Jimmy Haslam understands he can't be constantly listening to the fans (something Randy Lerner did way too much.)
You are crediting Mikey for the bungles "success"? After a 20 year reign of error? What a joke, this is clearly the blind squirrel finding the occasional nut.
As much as I hate to admit it the patience he has shown toward Marvin is the reason the Bengals have made the playoffs 3 of the last 5 years.
Patience, or just too cheap to buy out the contract and pay a premier coach?
I have to agree with this. The quality of play the Bengals have gotten from AJ, Andy and Gresham has made a difference. There are top level draft picks out there that don't always work out this well. I have to give the Bengals credit for drafting them and keeping Zimmer as D-coordinator, but I think the first round of the playoffs is the very best we'll see out of a MB owned Bengals team.
There is a difference between a Super Bowl caliber organization, one that can go to a Super Bowl when the stars align and one that can get a wild-card spot if the stars align. I think the Bengals are in the last category.
As always, I'll be glad to be wrong.
It ain't patience, he's cheap. He tolerates total mediocrity as his fan base erodes. No other franchise would continue to re up a below 500 coach. But here, Marvin's a saviour. Amazing
Who drafted and developed those players? Marvin Lewis.
And that's my point. He's a good coach. And if Bengal fans are content with a first round loss as the best they'll have for the next decade then MB will contunue to make money.
Additonally, even if Marvin is the answer all the way around he can not do it alone.
Marvin did not lose the game today. The players did, they did not execute today. Dalton missed way too many open receivers today.
It's comical that Bengals fans actually defend Marvin and Mikey.
How many years is it now for Marvin not winning a playoff game? Mikey?
Marvin is the worst game management coach in the NFL. Period.
Tie game- he tries a 56 yard FG and goes for it 4th and 22
Keep drinking the Marvin kool-aid Bengals fans
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by HoopsJunky 15 months ago
My contention is that when Marvin/Mikey boy draft a good player say like Jonathan Joseph ( their best corner) Marvin can't re-re- sign him because Mikey and Katie won't won't pay the market price. We've seen it time and again. Justin Smith, TJ. Do I need to go? Mediocrity is the accepted standard operating procedure. Profit for the Brown family at all costs. Nothing else really matters, including today's loss. There's always next year.
Of course you fail to mention re-signings like Whit, Leon, Chad multiple times, Carson to a record deal, etc, etc.
Stick to your limited UC knowledge. It serves you better.
Carson Palmer... That is who you bring into this? That is like taking a knife to a gun fight...
Carson was good for a year or two and was mediocre after his knee injury. He whined like a baby until he got traded to a even crappier team.
Chad Johnson didn't ever get huge money nor did Leon or Whitworth... Bringing in sub par RB's like Green-Ellis is a joke... The law firm is a #2 all day on most rosters. They won't spend money to get a real #1 RB...
They talk about winning but they won't spend the money to get a good strong #2 WR so it leaves AJ Green guarded all the time.
They go cheap every where possible and jack up ticket prices along with merchandise and concessions. The brown family is horrible for Cincy and for the Bengals.
They screwed Hamilton County on the stadium and keep threatening to leave when their demands aren't met. Its stupid... We can make the playoffs. Big deal. Real teams make it to the playoffs and win games. Plain and Simple.
There are a host of problems on the Bengals roster and within Ownership/Management!
I say we all just stick to the Bearcats! It's what the forums are for! Why give Brown any more thought or free advertisement? Until the Bengals get a new owner, they will be null and void of winning championships!
We Bleed Red! We Bleed Black! We Bleed Passion! We Are Bearcats!
You miss the point in your so original MB/Bengals hate. Cincyfish claimed that the organization doesn't pay $$$ to players. Not true.
Carson given a record deal BEFORE his injury. This is fact. You statement about his performance post injury is irrelevant to my counter to that point.
They "jack up ticket prices" is laughable since, as an example, my tickets have not gone up in years and they lowered a good chunk of their prices heading into 2012.
But you are correct in that we should not let the Bengals stuff hijack the UC board so, for that, my apologies. It is, though, very annoying to see people claim outright inaccuracies as fact and basis for their dumb outrage and cincyfish is a main culprit in that. I do suspect, to try and relate it back to UC, that the athletic department has to face similar issues when dealing with UC's alleged fanbase so maybe all of us can do a better job of trying to base our positions on fact rather than perceptions.
Fair enough good sir! I like your thoughts though. All though I have no shame in the fact I dislike Mr. Brown, He is a shrewd business man, which in sports usually means your not liked and easily tick of fans.
I understand why he goes cheap to a point... They have had flops like Jeff Blake and bad attitudes with players like Corey Dillion and injuries with players like Palmer, so I understand his hesitation of giving out large contracts from a business stand point. But at the same time he has to take big risks to get big rewards!
Last thing from me before I head back to #bearcatnation, Wayne Krivinsky (last name is spelled wrong, sorry) said something I will never forget when he was asked about trading Dunn and Griffey Jr. A reporter asked why he did it, He said "You have to give up something of worth to get something of worth in return." That quote has stuck with me and will continue to for the rest of my life. It is true, you can't expect greatness if your not willing to sacrifice what is needed to get there to achieve it.
Past all that +1 for you WHT! Your a good person! Very level headed, I like that!
This post was edited by BearCatsAttack 15 months ago
We can all have opinions about MB/Bengals, but how many playoff wins in the last 22 years?
I feel comfortable with the evidence that's already of record.
Use the outrage from the casual cincy Bengal fan and convince them to come watch a uc game. Why anyone would give another cent to Mike Brown is beyond me.
My contention is that when Marvin/Mikey boy draft a good player say like Jonathan Joseph ( their best corner) Marvin can't re-re- sign him because Mikey and Katie won't won't pay the market price. We've seen it time and again. Justin Smith, TJ. Do I need to go on? Mediocrity is the accepted standard operating procedure. Profit for the Brown family at all costs. Nothing else really matters, including today's loss. There's always next year.
And where are they relative to the salary cap this year? Aren't they like $20-$30 million under the cap? Has there ever been a year where they have a challenge with cap management? I can't remember one. And it isn't because they are that good at managing the cap.
In any case, this is a UC board, not a Bengals board. Could we get back to what we're supposed to be talking about?
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