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guys let me ask you all some questions please...come in peace ,with the talent he already has and the new talent we signed..how good do you all think he does to comparing to dooley?
to me coach jones gets and coaches up 2-3 star's and get kids to play hard for him..no dought in my mind coach dooley could coach up 2and 3 stars at the level mr.jones has proven he can and done it
for 6 years..ill hang up and listen..and good luck to you guys this year ,with recruits and game time
CBJ is a master motivator and his staff did a good job of coaching kids up when they were here. How he does compared to Dooley, can't really say.
The opinion here is that CBJ was a good coach who instilled great spirit and motivation in the team. He is still learning some things about game management and game planning. Brian Kelly was a master at game planning and making in-game adjustments because he had been a head coach for a long time. CBJ, who had much less experience, not so much.
It remains to be seen whether his spread offense really plays against defenses with the speed of Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and LSU. I think the defense will do OK. I don't see him out-coaching Spurrier, Saban, Miles, or Richt, at least not anytime soon.
He will get better, but I am not sure that your fanbase will have the patience for that.
GO BEARCATS!! FIGHT!!! FIGHT!!!! FIGHT!!!!!
Fair assessment of BJ; my reservation is he was coaching up 2-3's vs. other 2-3's for the most part and not 3-5's which he will routinely encounter in the SEC and if I recall your schedule next year TN will find out soon enough.
Agreed. But looking at UT's class, they signed five 4-star players and fifteen 3-stars. As someone pointed out in another thread, while this class might not stand up to Alabama or LSU. But it's a pretty good class considering the short time frame they had to work. We know from experience that CBJ's staff is tireless and relentless when it comes to recruiting. I would expect UT's recruiting class next year to be even better. I have the same expectations for CTT and our new staff.
2 & 3 Star players are much easier to coach because they are not stars. When you recruit primadonnas the ship can go south fast. It will be interesting to see how quickly they buy in as a team.
Anyone know how many of the top recruits had committed to UT before CBJ took over, and stayed with their commitments?
I dont want to come across as sour grapes. I liked jones when he was here. I thought that long term he could really build this program had he stayed. That said.....
I am not sure that jones is a great recruiter. He did seem to do better with Kerry Coombs on the staff here both locally and in Indiana. His class here before he left ended with most recruits ending up at MAC schools not BCS schools. I think the wr coach that came from Wisconsin will help, he was guy with florida ties we had hoped would follow jones here from CMU, but didn't. Being in SEC will help.
I am also not sure quite how good a game coach he is. Never beat teams UC wasn't supposed to beat really. Lost to Oklahoma and Tennessee, and I guess went 1-1 against NCST. Lost last season to Louisville, Toledo and Rutgers in what should have been winnable games....and w/ louisville and Rutgers losses, lost shot at bcs game, which he never reached here.
My fear if I was a UT fan, is that jones pretty much marketed himself heavily with purdue and Colorado and may have made him seem a more valuable and desired commodity. He did good here....two 9/10 win regular seasons and one losing season. But not great, and didn't match success of predecessor. He isn't Brian Kelly in more ways than one.
Tennessee will afford him better players. Time will tell.
thnak you very much for your reply...yeah i hate ,the way it all went down for you guy's
but on the bright side you got 1 heck of coach...and i think you all will be real pleased
with tommy...good luck this year ..should have a good year on the field..thanks
i agree,,thats my fear with our fanbase also..at this point we got to ride the ship out..im thinking fulmer
will help him if he needs any advice...what sticks out to me he took 2-3 star players and coached them up and won,regardlesss of it being the big east ect..sec is much different ..so much speed and faster
at times and slower at times..like bama ground and pound..they keep winning on the field and off the field with big time recruits.thanks for your reply
thanks for your reply,,and your dead on ..you nailed..good luck next year ..dont think your team will miss a beat..got a good coach ..should run through the east..imo
Lemond Johnson 3pts.would have been 4 star MarQuez North 4star..he wasn't commited,and after dooley firing things looked bad,coach jones pulled it off and he signedJoshua Dobbs 4star..6pts would have been 5 star.flipped him.dual theat quarterback.Ryan Jenkins 4star.close to a 5 star.flipped him.Malik Brown flipped him.Jaylen Miller flipped him 3 star 5pts &he would be 4 star,lan Wiesman flipped him,Malik Foreman,hes 3 star-but easy 5 star...fast fast,play maker.A.J. Branisel jones flipped.Woodyquin steal hes going to be something.
dooley was a nut head..he let von bell walk right out tenn,to ohio if coaches had a little more time i think we would have landed him,,class 2014 will be a monster class jones will have..
thanks guys for all your replys..welcome to our board anytime..thanks
To the Tennessee fans I can honestly say I think you are going to be very disappointed with Butch Jones. He followed Kelly to UC and took Kelly's undefeated regular season team and went 4 - 8. He says the right things but his recruits are not going to beat Ala, Fla, Ga, LSU, Tex AM, SC, Ark and now ole Miss. You will be a bottom half SEC team. Maybe I'll be wrong. Only time will tell.
If Kelly was coaching the same players instead of Butch, we win vs Tennessee, Oklahoma, Toledo and Louisville. Maybe Rutgers. No question in my mind. Those games were given away with poor decisions, poor play calls, and poor personnel changes.
I agree we win most of those with BK, but I think we often overlook the fact Kelly had his momments when he blew some games (and made some others closer than they should be) as well. Usually what would happen is Kelly would forget about the running game all together. I can specifically point to the losses to Louisville and Pitt in 2007 (those teams were terrible that year and we had no business losing to either of them), UConn and Virginia Tech in 2008, and in 2009 we blew a huge lead aganst UConn where Zach Collaos put up over 700 yards of total offense because of getting a little too cozy late in the game. Fortunately we won 47-45.
I think C/O of 1985 hit the nail on the head with his analysis of Jones. Jones and staff are tireless recruiters but still need a lot of development that Vol fans may not be patient for.
I don't really like to discuss Coach Jones because it's still a hot button for many UC fans just like Brian Kelly was after he left, but I agree with Clifton. A number of games fell the right way for Coach Kelly in 2009 and in 2012 at Notre Dame for those two teams to go undefeated.
I don't like to compare Coach Jones and Coach Kelly because they are so different, but I will say that Coach Jones does a masterful job of getting his kids ready to play. The win at UConn to end the regular season was a perfect example of that. There were so many distractions that week with all the talk about Purdue and Colorado. Plus, UC was going to a place where the Bearcats have historically struggled. Yet, the Bearcats dominated.
Coach Jones is also high energy in practices on all three sides of the football. The guys sees everything.
I want him to do well because I really like the man, and I hope he does a great job at Tennessee just like I want Coach Kelly to do a great job at ND.
Coach Jones will work the psyche of your players all twelve months, and he's always looking for another way to do it better. I heard Eddie Gran, Cincy's new OC, say yesterday in an interview that the Bearcat players know how to work, and basically credited the Jones staff for that. In my opinion, that is a direct reflection of what Coach Jones did here for three years. He wants a tough, blue collar team attitude, and he'll just need enough playmakers to buy in. If they do, I think the Vols will do better than many others think, but it might take a couple years to get everything in place.
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One of the reasons I thought BK would leave ND this year is that he has reached the top with more than a little luck and it will be hard to maintain. He is a great coach.
Appreciated the comment about the guys work ethic. BJ left a solid foundation. It will be interesting to see how it plays out at UT. Wish him all the luck in the world, I do think he has to grow as a coach. He is now playing in the big leagues.
Whenever I think of the SEC, I remember a quote by Bobby Bowden when asked if FSU should leave the ACC for the SEC.
Bowden said, "You don't want to be in that briar patch!"
I think Coach Tuberville got ushered out of that league after one losing season. That's ridiculous.
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Yep, Auburn went 5-7 in 2007 after winning 13,9, 11 and 9 games the years before it. If you look at their record they were very compeitive in every game (lost a couple by 1-3 pts) and was only blown out by Alabama. IIRC a big issue down there that drew disatisfaction had to do with the offense and whether they should go the direction of Gus Malzahn or stick with the pro formation (which Tuberville wanted to do).
I do hope BJ gets a chance to build his team. UT needs some stability to return to prominence but it is a tough neighborhood.
thank you ..i need to hear that..i sure think we got the better coach between coach jones and strong
and thanks for everyone being nice in replying to my question..wish you all the best..
My take is that year one will determine if players buy into his system. Look at UC's 1st year with him, and it was a disaster. He got the younger kids to buy in and they won 10 games the next two.
Butch as a recruiter - he talks the talk and he definitely talks up his kids. You will be happy there. Butch as a game coach there are coaches out there that have better instincts IMHO opinion. Louisville this year and the FG attempt was a perfect example. Rutgers the same thing, outcoached. The biggest difference between CBK and CBJ was that BK could adapt. Look at his team this year - and his use of the 2 QB system. Butch took two more games before he pulled Munchie and that was being generous about it.
I think it was sleazy the way that he left but people go to what they think is a better opportunity and you can't fault him for that. Still mad as hell about Purdue and Colorado, but we got a coach who wants to be here.
Best of luck to the vols in the future.
Hey guys, another Vol fan here coming in peace.
Just looking for some insight on Jancek and his defense. UT has run the 4-3 for as long as I can remember until we had our disastrous 1 year experiment with the 3-4 this year. Going back to the 4-3 with Jancek. How did his defenses do here? Was he a good play caller? Were you guys good in the red zone? Was there a lot of zone played in the secondary, or some man to man defense? Just looking to get your feelings on him as a coach and what to expect.
I think in terms of his playcalling, I think you can say that he adapts to the players he has. Two years ago, with Wolfe, Hughes, Giordano and Stewart starting on the D-line, we got great pass rush with just the front four. He didn't blitz much because he didn't need to. When he did, it was incredibly effective. Last year, after Walt Stewart went down, we had trouble generating push. Jancek brought some inventive blitzes to try and generate pass rush.
If he has the horses up front to not blitz, his base look is 4-3 against traditional offenses and an 4-2 nickle against spread looks. Base pass coverage is probably a Tampa 2 zone. but he will press cover in some situations. He will blitz from all over the park, but sparingly. He likes to blitz the nickle back.
Our defense gave up yards in small chunks and kept plays in front of them. Look at our pass defense stats. We gave up lots yards, but our pass efficiency defense was pretty good. We did a pretty good job in the red zone in holding teams to field goals.
He was a good DC for us. But like any coach or coordinator, he is only as good as the players. I thought he schemed pretty well to the strengths of his players.
Great insight. Keeping plays in front of us will be a welcomed change from what we had last year. Best of luck to you guys.
I think he did a masterful job plugging holes in a very depleted D that suffered injuries to boot. He may be the unsung hero of last year.
BJ will win at TN, but I'm not sure he'll win quickly enough for TN fans. If they stick with him past year 3 I could see him doing well there.
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It sounds like CBJ found himself some players who play the game with great passion and intensity. On their visits, these kids looked upon their hosts as family. Coach Jones obviously sees these guys as team members that will hold the rope. I think that how they perform in the water balloon toss on their visits was the determining factor in whether or not CBJ would tender an offer to "Represent the T" at the Football Family at Tennessee.
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