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Houston/SMU

  • Curious as to why this has been selected by ESPN for College Gameday if both schools are considering a move to the Big East. If Espin has it out for this conference the way many have suggested then this is surprising. Any thoughts?

    perdrim ●

  • Sure. People are paranoid and get carried away with the idea that someone or something is biased against them, even when the evidence doesn't always support it. ESPN isn't against anyone -- they are for whoever or whatever it is that can make them money. In a season somewhat lacking in compelling storylines, having an unbeaten Houston team led by a QB setting records like Keenum is makes for good TV.

    I know a lot of people around here will disagree with that, as much bashing of ESPN as we've seen around here during this season. I just think it's a mistake of oversimplification to believe that ESPN will always go out of its way to screw the BE.

    Carey Hoffman

  • WinTheBigEast said...

    Sure. People are paranoid and get carried away with the idea that someone or something is biased against them, even when the evidence doesn't always support it. ESPN isn't against anyone -- they are for whoever or whatever it is that can make them money. In a season somewhat lacking in compelling storylines, having an unbeaten Houston team led by a QB setting records like Keenum is makes for good TV.

    I know a lot of people around here will disagree with that, as much bashing of ESPN as we've seen around here during this season. I just think it's a mistake of oversimplification to believe that ESPN will always go out of its way to screw the BE.

    I agree to an extent, but I do think ESPN has an agenda when it comes to the Big East considering ESPN turned down their contract offer. This was evident in the comments made by Boston College's President in regards to the ACC being steered in taking Pitt and Syracuse.

    As far as the game- I would be curious to see how many digs Herbie and the boys take at the current conference set up throughout College Gameday.

    CliftonAve

  • perdrim said...

    Curious as to why this has been selected by ESPN for College Gameday if both schools are considering a move to the Big East. If Espin has it out for this conference the way many have suggested then this is surprising. Any thoughts?

    They want to be the first to announce the conference realignment news regarding these schools and the Big East. Regardless of how they feel about the conference, they want to break news.

    Just a guess.

    Bcat

  • Bcat said...

    They want to be the first to announce the conference realignment news regarding these schools and the Big East. Regardless of how they feel about the conference, they want to break news.

    Just a guess.

    I hate to be a cynic ( it's far from my nature and I chide my kids for being negative ) BUT, I doubt this Gameday decision was built around this pending announcement. I give you 2 scenarios, and I hope I'm wrong with both, but I have come to realize that naiivity when it comes to the worldwide leader is not sound. Come to expect calculating moves.

    1) Houston (and SMU for that matter) are still being talked about as possibles for the B12. Either now or the near future. ESPN has a HUGE stake in the B12's success and it's optics.

    2) ESPN could be first to announce the New BE and then piss all over it. They don't like that the BE has an AQ. They are set against it. They constantly berrate the BE. I hope this will change but it would be inconsistent with their overall strategy.

    Canuckcat

  • Canuckcat said...

    I hate to be a cynic ( it's far from my nature and I chide my kids for being negative ) BUT, I doubt this Gameday decision was built around this pending announcement. I give you 2 scenarios, and I hope I'm wrong with both, but I have come to realize that naiivity when it comes to the worldwide leader is not sound. Come to expect calculating moves.

    1) Houston (and SMU for that matter) are still being talked about as possibles for the B12. Either now or the near future. ESPN has a HUGE stake in the B12's success and it's optics.

    2) ESPN could be first to announce the New BE and then piss all over it. They don't like that the BE has an AQ. They are set against it. They constantly berrate the BE. I hope this will change but it would be inconsistent with their overall strategy.

    That was sort of my line of thinking as well, but I also agree with WTBE that it could be just paranoia. I really want the Beast to get this stuff settled and soon.

    perdrim ●

  • I don't think ESPN is out to screw the BE at every turn, but I do think that ESPN will push
    their conference teams before the BE (if they really think they are going to NBC). After reading the ESPN book out a few months back, it showed me ESPN will step on toes to make a buck and don't/didn't really treat their employees that well. Expect if BE is on NBC, they will have little coverage on any of the ESPN platforms unless they are a breakout team that will sell copy.

    I even believe about a month back a AD made a statement to the effect that you do not want to cross ESPN because that could really hurt your school.

    They will discount the BE, because it is in their financial interest.

    29bearcat

  • 29bearcat said...

    I don't think ESPN is out to screw the BE at every turn, but I do think that ESPN will push their conference teams before the BE (if they really think they are going to NBC). After reading the ESPN book out a few months back, it showed me ESPN will step on toes to make a buck and don't/didn't really treat their employees that well. Expect if BE is on NBC, they will have little coverage on any of the ESPN platforms unless they are a breakout team that will sell copy.

    I even believe about a month back a AD made a statement to the effect that you do not want to cross ESPN because that could really hurt your school.

    They will discount the BE, because it is in their financial interest.

    Which is why I posted the original question. Why would they spotlight two teams headed to the Big East in an attempt to save it?

    perdrim ●

  • If BYU is going to the BIg East they are going to be a major player in the contract negotiations. Because the original TV package was denied doesn't mean they won't get the next one and the group of 12 is much more attractive than the group of 9 (inc TCU).

    shaunsimpson

  • shaunsimpson said...

    If BYU is going to the BIg East they are going to be a major player in the contract negotiations. Because the original TV package was denied doesn't mean they won't get the next one and the group of 12 is much more attractive than the group of 9 (inc TCU).

    So your thought is that ESPN might make another go at the "new" Big East and this laying the groundwork?

    perdrim ●

  • shaunsimpson said...

    If BYU is going to the BIg East they are going to be a major player in the contract negotiations. Because the original TV package was denied doesn't mean they won't get the next one and the group of 12 is much more attractive than the group of 9 (inc TCU).

    Who denied who?

    BDIAS

  • BDIAS said...

    Who denied who?

    The Big East turned down $1 billion over 9 years from ESPN.

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  • The new Big East has 11 top 50 media markets. Maybe ESpin will have a change of heart. Rob Smith said "Stick a fork in the Big East they lose AQ after 2013" when WVU said they were joining Big 12. Did not even allow BE to respond with invites just wrote the Epitaph. I find it funny WVU went 5-1 and was 11th in AP UC was 7-1 and was 23rd. WVU is three loss team with two in BE play and in the top 25 again. UC is 7-2 one of 24 two loss or less teams and every three loss team from a BCS conf. including WVU is ranked ahead of them in every poll. It seems as though the poll voters are doing their best to lower the BE avg BCS. team rank which is one of the three criteria for AQ.

    the C

  • It isn't that ESPN needs to have a change of heart on an offer since the Big East turned down ESPN. ESPN had sole negotiating rights and the Big East wanted to see what they could get on the open market. If the Big East has so many big media markets and 2 service academies and BYU (along with the success of Boise) then this will bring in much more than the original offer.

    shaunsimpson

  • shaunsimpson said...

    It isn't that ESPN needs to have a change of heart on an offer since the Big East turned down ESPN. ESPN had sole negotiating rights and the Big East wanted to see what they could get on the open market. If the Big East has so many big media markets and 2 service academies and BYU (along with the success of Boise) then this will bring in much more than the original offer.

    Shaun, interesting thought. Good post. You're right, ESPN still has exclusive negotiation rights for renewal until sometime next year. If, ( in spite of ESPN's destructive efforts ) the BE DOES put this conference together with the aforementioned teams, ESPN still may belly up with a much greater deal. Then we get into some critical thinking......if you're the BE schools, do you take the re-upped deal from ESPN or do you continue to wait on NBC getting into the game. ?

    ( interestingly, NBC knows all about this protective strategy since they pioneered it to a mjor degree by what they have done by using exclusive re-negotiation windows to re-up the Olympic deals.
    CBS has done the same with the SEC and the Masters. )

    Canuckcat

  • Espn is going to have to REALLY ante up to keep Friday night CFB going this time around. We hold all the cards!

    4,400 UCAT members. UL have 10k. Why haven't you joined? $50 minimum to start. Membership matters.

    fubar

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