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He had several allegations brought to the NCAA about him paying players at UCLA. UCLA fired him after a bad season so they had justification and before the NCAA dropped the hammer on him and the school so it was nothing official in the record books. but when you have a coach with NO legitimate head coaching experience bringing in 7 McDonald's All-Americans you know something is fishy.
As for his time at St. John's he brought in several highly touted players so far most of which it was talked about in recruiting circles needed to be paid. One of those was Obekpa and the fact that his handler was basically going back and forth between two schools. I'll go out on a limb and say momma Lawrence may have been approached and was so put off by it that she told him St. John's wasn't an option.
As for why hasn't the NCAA stepped in? Ask Calipari that question. Until last year with a team loaded with NBA talent the guy hadn't won jack yet the top players lined up to play for him solely because his "coaching ability" put McDonald's All-Americans in the NBA,...yeah I know big shocker there in being able to put top 20 players into the NBA.
In this scenario, I'm allowing myself to dream what this team could be next year IF Kelvin Gaines "gets it" and SK stays. I think Guyn can be good enough to run the team (at least early in the season until Caupain gets up to speed). Just thinking of the length and athleticism on the roster. Could be ridiculously good.
But we still currently have a damn good team to play the rest of this year out. Toss it up and they'll be in any game no matter who the opponent is. I like that and I'll take my chances with Mick Cronin running this program.
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We have a final four type of team this year if they all stay healthy and all show up ready to play for every game.
I dont think they have enough inside scoring punch to make it to the final 4.
Congrats Mick, well deserved break! Even Swing sounds impressed, so my very unintelligent opinion of recruiting is even more psyched!
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there needs to be a paper trail for the ncaa to do anything. they can't just go in on someone's report of a payment occuring with no direct evidence of it. coaches that still pay players are smart and discreet enough now to do so that there is no paper trail left behind. all loose ends are covered.
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Exactly. They eliminate the paper trails and cover their tracks very well which is the only reason Calipari and Lavin are still coaching.
Great job by Mick and the staff...I think anytime you add 5 star guys, it adds credibility to your program. It will make it easier to recruit 5 star guys in the future!
Calipari has no paper trails. My interpretation of his past is that he merely would suggest players contact certain people or that certain people contact certain players. That's how a guy like Derek Rose goes from bombing the ACT in his home city in Chicago but shows up in Detroit and gets a qualifying score. Kind of reminds of me of the garbage men for mobsters back in the day...they would make problems disappear without asking any questions.
Just pure fun speculation.
He's been caught before and he will get caught again at some point in my opinion.
He hasn't been caught paying recruits.
No, but he has vacated two final four appearances.
Right. But one was for an agent giving camby money so that really isn't technically him cheating. Regardless the only reason I originally said something was because I interpreted the context of the earlier obekpa convo revolving around paying players. Might have been looking through too narrow of a lens.
He has been caught cheating. I'll leave it at that.
Back to the question at hand, Mo weighs in:
3) Mick Cronin has signed too many guys. And that means someone on the has to go. If next year's class, which recruiting "experts" seem to be high on, has better players than what the Bearcats have now, we'll be all too happy to make an incumbent player expendable. And yes, I can name one or two players I'd prefer to not see play anymore.
But there's a problem highlighted here, and it's far from a UC issue. Coaches can find replacements for players already under scholarship and run them out. That might not be a big deal to you and I as fans, but for a business (yes, business) that laughably claims to have the best interests of the student-athletes in mind, the practice of coaches running kids out simply because another new player might be better doesn't seem to really serve the kids, now does it?
Mind you, this isn't exclusive to UC, and we have no idea what Mick and his coaching staff know about the composition of next year's team and what variables will affect it. There are probably one or two players who would be better served by playing elsewhere and the pressure to win demands that roster upgrades trump everything and nearly every school.
But if the players have little mobility, should the schools have the flexibility to not renew scholarships simply because a newer player might be better. Perhaps a player isn't a kid athletically, but what if he's getting it done academically and finding success within a specific program at his school? Maybe he's developed relationships at that school he doesn't want to relinquish. The system punishes players if they decide one place isn't a good fit, but if someone else decides for them that they don't fit, the system also punishes them?
That doesn't work.
My guess is SK enters the draft and if things don't work out he returns , pays his own way and is an even bigger hero than now !!!
We talk as if we know and the only answer is that we run a kid out or SK enters draft. Mick is totally aware what happens if you get the reputation of running a scholarship kid out. We have to trust him. He may know SK is gone. However, several other cases---Do Gynn and JD stay if it looks like the new guys take their playing time? Does Gaines stay if he decides he wants to play full time at a D2 school? Do Sanders or Thomas decide that their playing time is too limited? Does Moorman not make grades? All types of information we don't have and we just have to see what develops
No turning back any more. Once you declare and the date passes the college days are finished...
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