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Decourcy mentioned something on twitter yesterday that struck home. He thought the grind of the Big East hurt the development of UC's younger players. There were no easy games, in most games every possession counted. There was not a chance to play younger guys without potentially affecting the outcome of a game. UC was not a sure NCAA team and needed to make certain it won all the winnable games. 10 games in the Big East were decided by less than 2 possessions.
Next year, there will be some very tough conference games but also some games which should be easily winnable. By the end of the year, Guyn and Shaq were playing much better but now much better could they have been if given more minutes over the course of the conference season.
This post was edited by jdlhale54 13 months ago
I disagree with this premise because all of the Big East teams had the same issue. To me you get better by playing better competition. You dont get better by playing average to below average teams.
I agree to a point but when team 4-12 are roughly equivalent it can be too much of a good thing. No other league in the NCAA was as deep as the Big East even this year. Only 7 of UC 18 league games were against teams in the lower half of the Big East. In contrast OSU played 10 of its 18 games agains the lower half of the Big Ten.
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I agree to a point. The competition is important but I liked the article today in paper about the end of the Big East. What was not pointed out in that article is that when you have the same coaches forever, you have the same styles and they are effective but they become stale. The conference became more and more a defense physical hold and block conference and, while the competition was good, the style became pretty similar and only a team like Louisville and sometimes Marquette and syr with their were differences and that does not prepare you for some of the other styles of play. I know there are exceptions to what I said but I am speaking in general about the oldness and sameness of the league
Unless something totally out of character happens UC will be in this new league for the next 2-3 years and I think it will overall be better for them. Next season UC, Ville, Memphis, UCONN, Temple, and Rutgers should be tournament or fringe tournament teams, as for the others I really dont know enough to comment and thats still pretty good. The BE getting 8 or 11 like in 2011 or the B10 getting 7 this year is not the norm, most leagues get 3-6 and I would think the TBA league would do just that. The ACC should get more bids now but someone has to lose so who knows.
I always want to play the best teams possible but there does come a pt where it doesnt help you. Take out USF and UC was playing tourney caliber teams every night for the last month. Thats great if you're rolling but if youre slumping it just kills you. Even the best teams OSU, Duke, etc...get a Northwestern or Boston College to break up the nightly death match.
I cant say the new league will be better, as a fan it wont be b/c we wont get to play Cuse, Pitt, etc..anymore but for the team I dont think it will necessarily be worse. We have no idea how the pressure of playing down the stretch this season effected each player but its probably a real possibility that we could see better play and development from the secondary players if every game isnt like its been the last few years.
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Exactly. Well said Dave...
I think the league really hurt UC this year. It did not allow Titus and probably Cheikj to gain their confidence and Shaq to get the playing time necessary to become really effective. UC was playing with a marginal Big East roster and needed to get the most out of everyone to win. Mick was also competing at a recruiting disadvantage against established coaches. Look at the league and in reality there was very little movement where teams move from the bottom to the top or vice versa. It will be nice to be in the top third again.
Since I wasnt really sure what the league would look like from a bball standpoint here is the 2012-13 snapshot
Thats 11, who am I missing? Am I missing someone? Honestly I dont who's coming and when. Obviously the league wont be the old BE, ACC, or B10 top to bottom but I dont see a reason it cant jump up and be in contention for the 4-6 spots and I dont see it as some huge anchor keeping UC down.
I have never really been worried about the conference stuff with regards to hoops, unless their budget suffers in some major way.
Is it ECU? Or do they come later? I've lost track.
This it a red herring. Someone on the coaching staff must have floated this message to Decourcy.
Great point. But, ten players averaged ten minutes this season. And few of them improved.
Only 7 guys averaged 10 or more in conference play though.
I guess so X. Chicken or egg, I suppose. Did they not get minutes because they weren't improving, or did they not improve because they weren't getting minutes? Since most of our games were tight, scoring-margin-wise, I suppose you can argue stronger for the latter.
What is disconcerting to me is, we have two sophs (both here last year) and one junior log less than three minutes each in the tournament game. The two sophs both, in the words of our esteemed Terry Nelson, "put in the work," but were not effective enough to make sustained tournament contributions this year.
This post was edited by BJUnklFkr 13 months ago
Minutes reduced because you need your best players on the floor in tight games. Cash, SK and Park were going to be on the floor for 35 plus minutes in every Big East game, and as a result the minutes for others were hard to find. Despite that I saw improvement from Shaq, Ge and Sanders by the end of the year, but could have been more if the circumstances were different...
I wonder if this includes some of the new ACC members... ( Syracuse / Pitt )
Tulane will be coming in 2014 (and ECU is expected to be invited for all-sports tarting in 2014 too), so for next year we have the other 10 you mentioned...
This post was edited by Bearcat_Bounce 13 months ago
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