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Jerry Palm and the RPI

  • kindog202 said...

    The only way the committee could stick it to us IMO is to stick us in the 8/9 game...

    Then that's what we'll likely be. Just seems to go that way.

    bearcat85

  • Palm has UC ata 10 this morning. I'm sure begrudgingly.

    Bearcat10 ●

  • kindog202 said...

    I agree and as much as I don't think Palm is right in his projection of his seeding for us, I would take the seeding he has us at because of the draw he has for us. 6 SDSU and 3 Baylor to the Sweet 16 - Yes please... ** If they seed us as a 10-12, they are in essence screwing not us but whoever we play. I would hate to be our opening round opponent as a 5/6/7 seed. The only way the committee could stick it to us IMO is to stick us in the 8/9 game...

    Lunardi has us as a 9, playing K-State in the 2nd round and UNC if we advance. That makes us the 2nd-weakest 9 seed, behind Southern Miss. I have a hard time believing that Southern Miss is better than us (they get Kansas, the weakest #1 IMO) or Purdue (they get UK).

    I would be happy as a 10. I don't care if the 7 gets screwed, as long as we win. Even as a 10, we still get a team like Duke, OSU (wouldn't THAT be interesting) Mizzou, or Michigan State in the 3rd round.

    I think we need to win the BET to get to a 6 seed. That is where I would like to be.

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  • Class of 1985 said...

    Lunardi has us as a 9, playing K-State in the 2nd round and UNC if we advance. That makes us the 2nd-weakest 9 seed, behind Southern Miss. I have a hard time believing that Southern Miss is better than us (they get Kansas, the weakest #1 IMO) or Purdue (they get UK).

    I would be happy as a 10. I don't care if the 7 gets screwed, as long as we win. Even as a 10, we still get a team like Duke, OSU (wouldn't THAT be interesting) Mizzou, or Michigan State in the 3rd round.

    I think we need to win the BET to get to a 6 seed. That is where I would like to be.

    Good post...100% with you on all of that.

    Wouldn't that be a fun draw...K-State and then UNC. I can't Imagine UNC would be real happy seeing K-State or Cincy in the 2nd round either.

    SchroedUC

  • SchroedUC said...

    Good post...100% with you on all of that.

    Wouldn't that be a fun draw...K-State and then UNC. I can't Imagine UNC would be real happy seeing K-State or Cincy in the 2nd round either.

    Dittos

    bearcat69

  • SchroedUC said...

    Good post...100% with you on all of that.

    Wouldn't that be a fun draw...K-State and then UNC. I can't Imagine UNC would be real happy seeing K-State or Cincy in the 2nd round either.

    once you get down to the 9 seed line, you aren't necessarily ranked anymore amongst your seeds for your draw. at that point a lot of it has to do with avoiding draws against teams you or your opponent have already played. the "best 1 vs worst 2" type of match ups are focused on for teams that cannot meet until the sweet 16/elite 8.

    dp3113

  • Palm says in this article that the only thing that could potentially knock us out would be a bad loss in the BET. Even that wouldn't do it IMO, but Ill be pulling for g'town just to be safe.

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    Xlacrosse1306 ●

  • Xlacrosse1306 said...

    Palm says in this article that the only thing that could potentially knock us out would be a bad loss in the BET. Even that wouldn't do it IMO, but Ill be pulling for g'town just to be safe.

    Presbytarian could be placed into the Big East, win their first two games and then beat us and that still wouldn't knock us out.

    michaelboston ●

  • Ehh idk. I mean id like to think were a lock, but if st johns snuck through pitt and g'town and we went down to them (none of which will happen) I wouldn't feel great going into selection Sunday.

    Xlacrosse1306 ●

  • Xlacrosse1306 said...

    Ehh idk. I mean id like to think were a lock, but if st johns snuck through pitt and g'town and we went down to them (none of which will happen) I wouldn't feel great going into selection Sunday.

    agreed.

    dp3113

  • Xlacrosse1306 said...

    Ehh idk. I mean id like to think were a lock, but if st johns snuck through pitt and g'town and we went down to them (none of which will happen) I wouldn't feel great going into selection Sunday.

    I completely disagree. We would have finished in the top 4 of the Big East. Lost in the Quarterfinals of the BET. Regardless who we play, they will have either already won 2 games, or it will be Georgetown. With all of the " good " wins this team has. No way in hell are we out regardless of Thursday. Especially with the bubble being sooo weak, and as of this minute all of the conference favorites winning their conference tournaments.

    michaelboston ●

  • We're in regardless at this point. Don't let ESPN or Jerry Palm fool you.

    3rddGear

  • 3rddGear said...

    We're in regardless at this point. Don't let ESPN or Jerry Palm fool you.

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  • michaelboston said...

    I completely disagree. We would have finished in the top 4 of the Big East. Lost in the Quarterfinals of the BET. Regardless who we play, they will have either already won 2 games, or it will be Georgetown. With all of the " good " wins this team has. No way in hell are we out regardless of Thursday. Especially with the bubble being sooo weak, and as of this minute all of the conference favorites winning their conference tournaments.

    I tend to think that this is right, as Jerry Palm is a known hater of the Bearcats and obviously just annoyed that we appear to be in good shape. Obviously any more wins is great which is what I hope our team is focused on doing, but the beauty of earning that double bye (which we did by beating the upper part of the Big East conference Mr. Palm) is that even a "stumble" against a Pitt or St. John's team would be against a "cinderella" team that had just won its 3rd game in 3 days including over Georgetown before the Bearcats. You don't knock a team back out of the bracket due to that. The Bearcats beat every one of those teams already this season ON THE ROAD too. So Jerry Palm just flat out sucks, period.

    bcatwilly

  • Ok, fess up:

    Which one of you was the guy who hooked up with Palm's girlfriend in college? HAHA

    CliftonAve

  • bcatwilly said...

    I tend to think that this is right, as Jerry Palm is a known hater of the Bearcats and obviously just annoyed that we appear to be in good shape. Obviously any more wins is great which is what I hope our team is focused on doing, but the beauty of earning that double bye (which we did by beating the upper part of the Big East conference Mr. Palm) is that even a "stumble" against a Pitt or St. John's team would be against a "cinderella" team that had just won its 3rd game in 3 days including over Georgetown before the Bearcats. You don't knock a team back out of the bracket due to that. The Bearcats beat every one of those teams already this season ON THE ROAD too. So Jerry Palm just flat out sucks, period.

    palm doesn't care for UC's OOC scheduling. he doesn't hate uc and he has no reason to hate them. the only reason he has to hate uc are uc fans on twitter who respond to him offensively taking personal shots at him.

    the committee uses the RPI. palm's website is collegerpi.com. his job is to forecast who he thinks the committee will admit to the tournament. he doesn't predict who he wants or thinks will make it. he predicts who he thinks the committee will pick.

    yes, it is frustrating to see his predictions....but look at uc's blind resume. RPI is horrible, SOS is horrible, OOC SOS is horrible. we beat notre dame before they went on their run. uconn and pitt wins were great at the time but now are not very impressive. louisville win isn't as great as we all think because the basketball writer media doesn't think very highly of them anymore. our great wins are @ georgetown and marquette.

    anyone who watches college basketball knows that the way uc is playing right now, they are playing at the caliber of a 4 or 5 seed. however, they won't be able to get that because of what they are on paper. like it or not, what they are on paper is what the committee looks at us as. palm's job is to look at us as the committee would, and make a prediction. he doesn't hate uc. neither does kirk herbstreit. neither does the espn network. neither does rivals. neither does lance mcalister.

    This post was edited by dp3113 on 3/5/2012 at 4:50 PM

    dp3113

  • dp3113 said...

    palm doesn't care for UC's OOC scheduling. he doesn't hate uc and he has no reason to hate them. the only reason he has to hate uc are uc fans on twitter who respond to him offensively taking personal shots at him.

    the committee uses the RPI. palm's website is collegerpi.com. his job is to forecast who he thinks the committee will admit to the tournament. he doesn't predict who he wants or thinks will make it. he predicts who he thinks the committee will pick.

    yes, it is frustrating to see his predictions....but look at uc's blind resume. RPI is horrible, SOS is horrible, OOC SOS is horrible. we beat notre dame before they went on their run. uconn and pitt wins were great at the time but now are not very impressive. louisville win isn't as great as we all think because the basketball writer media doesn't think very highly of them anymore. our great wins are @ georgetown and marquette.

    anyone who watches college basketball knows that the way uc is playing right now, they are playing at the caliber of a 4 or 5 seed. however, they won't be able to get that because of what they are on paper. like it or not, what they are on paper is what the committee looks at us as. palm's job is to look at us as the committee would, and make a prediction. he doesn't hate uc. neither does kirk herbstreit. neither does the espn network. neither does rivals.

    You are naive to think that herbstreit and espn do not have an agenda when it comes to UC, the Big East and the ACC.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Wacobearcat on 3/5/2012 at 4:53 PM

    Wacobearcat

  • dp3113 said...

    We beat notre dame before they went on their run. uconn and pitt wins were great at the time but now are not very impressive.

    Shouldn't have it both ways. If we're going to be discounted for UConn and Pitt wins due to their retreat, then we should get credit for ND win even though it was before they progressed.

    We play in what everyone admits is a top conference, yet for some reason, all Palm (and maybe others ) wants to consider is our weak OOC games. I'd sure love to get the BCS to look at SEC teams in the same way.

    bearcat85

  • dp3113 said...

    palm doesn't care for UC's OOC scheduling. he doesn't hate uc and he has no reason to hate them. the only reason he has to hate uc are uc fans on twitter who respond to him offensively taking personal shots at him.

    the committee uses the RPI. palm's website is collegerpi.com. his job is to forecast who he thinks the committee will admit to the tournament. he doesn't predict who he wants or thinks will make it. he predicts who he thinks the committee will pick.

    yes, it is frustrating to see his predictions....but look at uc's blind resume. RPI is horrible, SOS is horrible, OOC SOS is horrible. we beat notre dame before they went on their run. uconn and pitt wins were great at the time but now are not very impressive. louisville win isn't as great as we all think because the basketball writer media doesn't think very highly of them anymore. our great wins are @ georgetown and marquette.

    anyone who watches college basketball knows that the way uc is playing right now, they are playing at the caliber of a 4 or 5 seed. however, they won't be able to get that because of what they are on paper. like it or not, what they are on paper is what the committee looks at us as. palm's job is to look at us as the committee would, and make a prediction. he doesn't hate uc. neither does kirk herbstreit. neither does the espn network. neither does rivals. neither does lance mcalister.

    UC's blind resume also has us 6-4 against the RPI top 50 and 7-5 on road and neutral courts. So it's entirely bad. And the early losses came while one of our starters was out injured.

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  • Wacobearcat said...

    You are naive to think that herbstreit and espn do not have an agenda when it comes to UC, the Big East and the ACC.

    i'm naive? well said. espn hates uc. so does bilas. so does hubert davis. so does race davis. so does bob knight. so does fowler. so does len elmore, mcdonough, shulman, vitale, fraschilla. anyone else? does that make you happy? convincing yourself a network hates uc so that you can blame someone for not always glowing about your program and bragging about their merits?

    dp3113

  • dp3113 said...

    i'm naive? well said. espn hates uc. so does bilas. so does hubert davis. so does race davis. so does bob knight. so does fowler. so does len elmore, mcdonough, shulman, vitale, fraschilla. anyone else? does that make you happy? convincing yourself a network hates uc so that you can blame someone for not always glowing about your program and bragging about their merits?

    This works boths ways. There are programs and leagues that are WAY OVERLY hyped and ranked because of "connections" with the media, and likewise those that are snubbed.

    For Texas to be on the bubble is a JOKE. However, they have 13 straight NCAA appearances under Barnes, Musberger sleeps with DeLoss Dodds, and ESPN has a HUGE investment in the LONGHORN NETWORK ( which sells a lot better if UT programs prosper ) .

    In addition, no one can deny that Fowler and the gang are all SEC apologists, as opposed to the Knight and Bilas B10 apologists, Digger who is pathetically ND, and Vitale who wears UNC jammies and has Duke sheets on his bed.

    McDonough and Shulman are great. They call it like it is.

    Canuckcat

  • Canuckcat said...

    This works boths ways. There are programs and leagues that are WAY OVERLY hyped and ranked because of "connections" with the media, and likewise those that are snubbed.

    For Texas to be on the bubble is a JOKE. However, they have 13 straight NCAA appearances under Barnes, Musberger sleeps with DeLoss Dodds, and ESPN has a HUGE investment in the LONGHORN NETWORK ( which sells a lot better if UT programs prosper ) .

    In addition, no one can deny that Fowler and the gang are all SEC apologists, as opposed to the Knight and Bilas B10 apologists, Digger who is pathetically ND, and Vitale who wears UNC jammies and has Duke sheets on his bed.

    McDonough and Shulman are great. They call it like it is.

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  • dp3113 said...

    i'm naive? well said. espn hates uc. so does bilas. so does hubert davis. so does race davis. so does bob knight. so does fowler. so does len elmore, mcdonough, shulman, vitale, fraschilla. anyone else? does that make you happy? convincing yourself a network hates uc so that you can blame someone for not always glowing about your program and bragging about their merits?

    I find that funny as well. Luckily UC isn't the only program where fans think every single person hates them. Herbstreit is about as unbiased as it comes. Same with recruiting. If UC signs a recruit they automatically drop because everyone hates UC.

    Artieziff

  • Artieziff said...

    I find that funny as well. Luckily UC isn't the only program where fans think every single person hates them. Herbstreit is about as unbiased as it comes. Same with recruiting. If UC signs a recruit they automatically drop because everyone hates UC.

    exactly. listen to the espn or cbs college basketball podcasts or go on twitter and follow the guys...they all constantly joke about how every program accuses them of hating their team or having a bias/vendetta against them just because they don't praise their team.

    its the same at every program.

    dp3113

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