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Future Football Schedules

  • Cancuck, a few things about your posts on this:

    - You mention wanting to schedule 7 home games/year, but there is no way we can achieve that when we are taking paydays at big SEC schools.

    - No, we don't recruit Oxford, but Memphis isn't really far away. They would be the perfect school to play if we're going to attempt to make further recruiting inroads into Memphis.

    - After Purdue and Illinois are over with, I think we can forget about playing any Big Ten teams anymore (though we should probably continue to try).

    - If the B1G blows us off like they have, I agree that scheduling ACC is a good approach. I'd love to have Pitt OOC (and hope the feeling is mutual).

    What I really hope is that this revised BE contains nine conference games. Nearly everyone is moving in that direction, and I don't want to have to worry about scheduling anymore. Having seven conference games already puts us at enough of a disadvantage. It'll be worse when everyone else goes to nine.

      BJUnklFkr

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    • BJ, just my personal take on things, but I think Pitt will not pursue an on-going series with UC. Just the vibe I get from folks I listen to, but it sounds (to me, at least) as if Pitt (as a whole) viewed UC as below them and that they see the "River Cities" rivalry as contrived. You'd think that UC-Pitt would be a natural pairing, but it just doesn't seem that it "took" on the Pitt side of things. Who knows?

      The Pitt-WVU series is over. Even the WVU football analysts are now calling this upcoming game as "the last" backyard-brawl.

      If Pitt doesn't work out, a series with Penn State would be great. I know Pitt has griped about not getting a shot at PSU and WVU has wanted a shot at a Penn State series as well. Penn State is going to be a long-term rebuilding process and might not want the task of playing WVU... Cincinnati might be a good fit in that we provide a good game and would not be "intimidating" from a brand-standpoint
      Maybe UC-Syracuse? I don't know, but I think that one might be a possibility. For Syracuse it would be a good recruiting trip. For Cincinnati, it would be a high(ish) profile game.

      I'd like to see UC extend the series we have begun with NC State. I think that has all sorts of possibilities.

      I wasn't thrilled about the possibility after Brian Kelly left, but I am beginning to ponder a chance for a UC-Notre Dame series, assuming ND doesn't try to extort all sorts of concessions (seats and gate revenues) from us playing at PBS. Notre Dame already has a recruiting pipeline into the Cincinnati HSFB scene, so who knows if they'd agree to a 1-1 or even a 2-1 (SoBend-Cincy-SoBend) type of arrangement, but playing ND would be comparable to playing Oklahoma (in terms of publicity, at least). The story lines almost write themselves. I dunno, but it's a thought at least.

      My 2 cents...twocents

        JerryKliner

      • JerryKliner said...

        BJ, just my personal take on things, but I think Pitt will not pursue an on-going series with UC. Just the vibe I get from folks I listen to, but it sounds (to me, at least) as if Pitt (as a whole) viewed UC as below them and that they see the "River Cities" rivalry as contrived. You'd think that UC-Pitt would be a natural pairing, but it just doesn't seem that it "took" on the Pitt side of things. Who knows?

        The Pitt-WVU series is over. Even the WVU football analysts are now calling this upcoming game as "the last" backyard-brawl.

        If Pitt doesn't work out, a series with Penn State would be great. I know Pitt has griped about not getting a shot at PSU and WVU has wanted a shot at a Penn State series as well. Penn State is going to be a long-term rebuilding process and might not want the task of playing WVU... Cincinnati might be a good fit in that we provide a good game and would not be "intimidating" from a brand-standpoint Maybe UC-Syracuse? I don't know, but I think that one might be a possibility. For Syracuse it would be a good recruiting trip. For Cincinnati, it would be a high(ish) profile game.

        I'd like to see UC extend the series we have begun with NC State. I think that has all sorts of possibilities.

        I wasn't thrilled about the possibility after Brian Kelly left, but I am beginning to ponder a chance for a UC-Notre Dame series, assuming ND doesn't try to extort all sorts of concessions (seats and gate revenues) from us playing at PBS. Notre Dame already has a recruiting pipeline into the Cincinnati HSFB scene, so who knows if they'd agree to a 1-1 or even a 2-1 (SoBend-Cincy-SoBend) type of arrangement, but playing ND would be comparable to playing Oklahoma (in terms of publicity, at least). The story lines almost write themselves. I dunno, but it's a thought at least.

        My 2 cents...

        Jerry, I agree with PSU. I don't with Syracuse. They aren't high profile in FB.

        I would like to see the ND game played in CVG but doubt that would ever happen, so I'd settled for a neutral site at Lucas Field in Indy. IMO that would be a perfect middle ground and a great venue. ND is known for neutral site TV games, so this one seems like a no-brainer to me.

        Canuckcat●

      • UC-WVU would be a possibility IMO, particularly with Whit and Butch Jones being on board here. Given the fact WVU will have to travel 900 miles to play their closest conference opponent, they will relish playing a team not too far in proximity.

        Pitt will never play us again except for a bowl game. They will be playing 3, maybe 4 OOC games and that will include Notre Dame and Penn State. The only game will be FCS and/or MAC.

        I think given this particular coaching staffs desire to coach in the staff, I would not be surprised to see us try and load up on OOC games against teams in Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas.

          CliftonAve

        • Indy would be a good "neutral site," but I think it'd be cool to see the Bearcats take the field at Notre Dame Stadium, kinda like we got to see the Bearcats on the field in Norman. There's something about going toe-to-toe on one of the "sacred sites" of college football. The downside is that I would NOT be in favor of some of the deals that ND has struck with other schools... 1-off games in SoBend with no return deal (USF), games in SoBend with a demand for a neutral field to balance the deal (tried with Rutgers and then struck with UConn, where the return game was played in the Meadowlands), or a deal where ND requires the majority of tickets and gate returns even when playing at the host site (again, RU and UConn). I'd like to see UC take the field in South Bend, but then make the Irish COME TO CINCINNATI...either Nippert (which they would never do because of the small stadium capacity) or our "2nd home"...PBS.

          A single, neutral site game in Indy wouldn't be too bad, but that's all it'd probably be... A single game. And ND would claim it as a "home" game, entitling them to 2/3 of the gate returns and the majority of the tickets. That's the deal they strike with teams like Wazzou (Wash State) when they played them down in Texas or Navy when they play away from SoBend. (OK, Navy gets to count that officially as a "home" game for scheduling circumstances, but they get screwed over in every other way...)

          One reason I'm wary of scheduling ND is that they are sleezy bastards when it comes to game negotiations. Every BE team that has tried to schedule ND has reported the same things... In order to play ND, you basically have to bend over, grab the ankles, and smile... To play ND, in ND's eyes, is a privilidge, and a costly privilidge at that.

          That being said, I still would love to see the Bearcats playing in the shadow of the Dome, on national TV... I loved seeing them in Norman, it was a complete rush seeing them take the field amdist the crowd and all that. With the OSU game seemingly in perpetual limbo, and the biggest thing being a neutral game against VTech in an NFL stadium... Well, I am missing the occassional game in a hallowed college stadium. There is something big-time about playing in places like Norman, South Bend, "The Horseshoe" in Columbus, Beaver Stadium, or AggieLand. The (Big East) Conference just doesn't deliver anything like these stadiums. Pro stadiums in Pittsburgh, Tampa, and now Cincinnati are nice, but they aren't COLLEGE. WVU and Syracuse can be loud, but they are sterile concrete ash-trays. Rentschler... ugh. Rutgers Stadium is starting to get that chache, but they lack the winning tradition and their fans are snobbish to the point of being delusional. And who knows what's going to happen with the conference realignment.

          So I'd like the OOC schedule to try and get the occasional game in one of the "hallowed" stadiums in college FB. Again, just my rambling 2 cents worth.

            JerryKliner

          • One other thought... I DO like the idea of UC cultivating a "regional" base of FCS teams for them to play. (I like the idea of Youngstown State A LOT) OR...what about this...Schedule in the other Big East BB schools that play FCS football? Georgetown and Villanova both play at the FCS level and would be at least a familiar name and rivalry since we play them in every other sport. (Georgetown would be a gimmie...they stink...) Villanova has won an FCS title recently, so they wouldn't be an immeadate push-over, but heck we should still be able to handle them....

            Can you at least imagine the buzz of a UC-Georgetown or UC-Villanova game? It has to carry at least as much buzz as UC-Austin Peay...

              JerryKliner

            • If ND and OSU don't give us a fair deal, screw 'em.

              OU gave us a fair deal.

              Sure hope our days of "Mike Thomas scheduling" are over.

              This post was edited by BJUnklFkr on 11/15/2011 at 9:28 PM

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              • JerryKliner said...

                One other thought... I DO like the idea of UC cultivating a "regional" base of FCS teams for them to play. (I like the idea of Youngstown State A LOT) OR...what about this...Schedule in the other Big East BB schools that play FCS football? Georgetown and Villanova both play at the FCS level and would be at least a familiar name and rivalry since we play them in every other sport. (Georgetown would be a gimmie...they stink...) Villanova has won an FCS title recently, so they wouldn't be an immeadate push-over, but heck we should still be able to handle them....

                Can you at least imagine the buzz of a UC-Georgetown or UC-Villanova game? It has to carry at least as much buzz as UC-Austin Peay...

                Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought games against FCS teams that do not offer athletic scholarships do not count for teams in a FBS conference. I know that is one of the major reasons UC does not play the University of Dayton in football and it is my understanding that Georgetown does not offer athletic scholarships for football. Villanova on the other hand does offer scholarships for football and I agree UC should be looking to schedule them if not for any other reason I see potential as a Big East Game of the Week given the fact Nova is on the east coast.

                  CliftonAve

                • All I know is that Georgetown plays in the Patriot conference with Bucknell, Colgate, Fordham, Holy Cross, Lafayette, and Lehigh... Are those FCS-non scholarship programs? (FWIW, I know that the Ivy and the Pioneer Conferences are non-scholarship...)

                  You may be right... I confess, I don't know the status of Georgetown's FB team in regards to scholarship status.

                    JerryKliner

                  • Wow, some one down voted me for thinking Georgtown may not be an option for future scheduling? I would think if Georgetown were an option Syracuse (their mortal rival in basketball) would have played them recently or even Rutgers, who schedules as if they are a member of the Patriot Conference.

                    Edit: I just checked their schedule over the past 40 years and they have not played anyone who is a Division, BCS or whatever you want to call it caliber. Georgetown's schedule includes teams like Marist, Colgate, Lehigh, Washington & Lee, Furman, Sacred Heart, etc.

                    This post was edited by CliftonAve on 11/17/2011 at 12:57 PM

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